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The Pretense of Pointless Blogs

Blog Posted:8/11/2017 4:25:00 PM

Open forum to write what you will about pointless blogs. Please bear in mind that NO rude or insincere comments will remain. I'm curious about what others think about posting a blog that seems meaningless, and/or prohibits comments. Yes, I know that is permitted by PS, but really, what's the point of that? If there's something worth writing, it should be worthy of having others express their opinions.

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Teddy
Kimathi

Date: 8/17/2017 2:31:00 AM

Methinks that as long as a blog exists, there's a point that the blogger wants us to see. Most of the time we might see some blogs having comments cut offs, but if we look deeper, there's a silent message by the blogger, intentional or not intentional.

nette
onclaud

Date: 8/15/2017 4:26:00 PM

i don't understand why a blogger would not want feedback... isn't a message for all a sign that the writer would enjoy some sense of reciprocity?... hmm, lin.. hugggs

Lin Lane
Date: 8/15/2017 4:30:00 PM

That's my way of thinking, nette. I enjoy reading the opinions of other poets as well as their comments on my poems. Communication is a good way to interact and get to know each other. Thanks a lot for offering your point of view.

Broken
Wings

Date: 8/14/2017 9:07:00 AM

Lin, to me the purpose of a blog is back and forth communication, when comments are turned off that defeats the purpose and is just pointless, yes information is given but no questions can be asked, as for receiving nasty replies well is that not why we were given the delete ability on blogs and there is always block, so I just don't see the point of a blog with no commenting, just my opinion, it is not my intent to insult anyone, its just that it makes no sense.

Lin Lane
Date: 8/14/2017 9:56:00 AM

Thanks for your thoughts, Constace. I don't think any comment made on this blog has given anyone reason to feel they've been insulted. I asked for opinions and I received many that were varied. Several issues were discussed in a mature manner and by respected members of the PS community.

Doug
Vinson

Date: 8/14/2017 8:53:00 AM

"Pointless" blogs - there won't be general agreement, because there is such a wide range (naturally) in the philosophies of all the people here. I'm all for discussion, and the ability to delete posts really does not seem right to me - I think much more is lost than is gained there. Just my opinion, though, and we're not all going to agree even on what blogs are 'pointless' or not.

Lin Lane
Date: 8/14/2017 10:05:00 AM

Hi Doug, and we don't all have to agree on what is pointless to us. I appreciated reading everyone's opinions.

Cyndi
MacMillan

Date: 8/14/2017 8:11:00 AM

Wordpress blogs do not automatically upload comments. Comments can be selected to be included on the blog or deleted before anyone but the blog's author reads them. Poetrysoup is not a blog site, but it does allow us to have a blog, and therefore it does not have all the bells and whistles of sites which were created for blogging. I couldn't care less if someone chooses to shut off comments, as long as the blog is not directed at specific Soupers and is just a "thinking about this..." type of blog. As long as a blog is not a direct attack on a member, then members can choose to just ignore them (it's actually quite easy ... unless you care about the opinion.)

Lin Lane
Date: 8/14/2017 10:11:00 AM

Thanks for joining in with your viewpoints, Cyndi. I was interested in opinions other than whether or not blogs are closed to comments. I don't care that PS makes that an option, or that people do it, but I thought I'd take a moment to see what others thought about blogs that are more like a diary on very personal levels.

Cyndi MacMillan
Date: 8/14/2017 8:15:00 AM

I'm not privy to all the hurts and life assaults every member of Soup has experienced. Fences are put up for many reasons... whenever possible, try to see the other side unless the other side has taken chunks out of you, gnawed you raw...

Debbie
Guzzi

Date: 8/13/2017 8:34:00 PM

LOL this is much a do about nothing?

Cyndi MacMillan
Date: 8/14/2017 10:03:00 AM

:D Sounds like Soup to me.

Lin Lane
Date: 8/13/2017 8:37:00 PM

It certainly ended up being that way. lol Shakespeare would be annoyed...Thanks for stopping in, Debbie.

harry
horsman

Date: 8/13/2017 3:13:00 AM

one way point of view, one track mind

Lin Lane
Date: 8/13/2017 5:44:00 AM

You nailed it with one hit of the hammer, Harry. Thank you very much.

JAN
ALLISON

Date: 8/12/2017 10:11:00 AM

It's such a shame to see a pointless poem being posted too Lin, its one rule for one, one rule for others:-( hugs jan xx

Doug Vinson
Date: 8/16/2017 1:40:00 PM

Maybe the gods are angry, Jan.

JAN ALLISON
Date: 8/14/2017 12:09:00 PM

There are odd things happening on soup Becca yesterday I had an e mail from a friend and underneath it was a link to my 'member area' and it showed a person was blocked - I don't have anyone blocked at all... the same thing happened some months ago it showed I had someone blocked and the minute i unblocked her she got blocked straight away again when i wasn't anywhere near her poetry page. I have changed my password! hugs jan xx

Doug Vinson
Date: 8/14/2017 8:50:00 AM

One rule to rule them all, one rule to find them....

Lewis Raynes
Date: 8/12/2017 10:52:00 PM

Hi guys, unfortunately my blogs and poems have had some "comments are blocked" thing enforced out of my control, some wicked keyboard warriors, but my last write is... Well... My thoughts about this.

Lin Lane
Date: 8/12/2017 10:15:00 AM

lol Jan. I hesitate to ask, so I'd better not, but the imagination has no limits.

craig
cornish

Date: 8/12/2017 9:11:00 AM

Interesting, much logic here--but I might add that logic evaporates when one posts a blog with no comments allowed that ends in a interrogatory.

craig cornish
Date: 8/12/2017 12:22:00 PM

8-)

Andrea Dietrich
Date: 8/12/2017 10:51:00 AM

I second this emotion! Rather, in this case, I THIRD it!!

Keith Trestrail
Date: 8/12/2017 9:26:00 AM

8-) Yup

Keith
Trestrail

Date: 8/12/2017 8:57:00 AM

I think (but I could be wrong) that our resident mute blogger has very set views on things and that always invites equally strongly held views in response which can lead to fireworks. I'm guessing that's why (enter female pronoun here) "announces" rather than posts a topic for discussion. It's a bit like when an immovable object meets an irrestistible force! I agree a blog without comments is a nonsense but life is full of peculiarities! I should know - I'm one!

Lin Lane
Date: 8/12/2017 9:03:00 AM

lol Keith, at least you admit to being peculiar. Most of us are in one way or more. Honesty really is a virtue. Thanks for your views.

michael
tor

Date: 8/12/2017 8:29:00 AM

I would say generally speaking there is a little bit of arrogance when you expect someone to read what you have written and not expect comments. In a way I feel it is a selfish act. Now on the other hand if this writer has been maligned by a comment in the past, I can understand and accept their choice of not having comments. So like I stated it depends on the reason why and most time were not privy to know why they are acting in that manner. Thanks for posting Lin...

Lin Lane
Date: 8/12/2017 8:38:00 AM

You're very welcome, Michael. It's a post to allow opinions and yours are welcome.

michael
tor

Date: 8/12/2017 8:17:00 AM

My personal opinion is not to hurt anyone with my opinion and anyone can disagree with it and that's ok. First I want to state that if someone doesn't want a response that's ok. Or if someone wants to blog whatever that is ok to, What someone might consider pointless that individual might not. Now when someone doesn't want an opinion, I ask myself why? What is the motive behind it, For example are they afraid of a comment that they might not be able to tolerate. Have they been hurt before by someone else's comment or are they making an egotistical statement that they selfishly don't care what you think. To me the reason why is more important than the act. We have a choice of not reading it.

michael tor
Date: 8/12/2017 12:31:00 PM

Your welcome

Lin Lane
Date: 8/12/2017 8:35:00 AM

I agree with all of your insightful remarks, Michael. You've covered a lot of possible reasons for pros and cons on the issue(s) and I appreciate your first sentence the most...not to hurt anyone with your opinion. I'm cheered that you're posting here again and thank you for adding your thoughts.

taai
tekai

Date: 8/12/2017 3:12:00 AM

There is no pretense; a blogger has a point and relates it. Whether they want discussion or not is their prerogative though it can be somewhat odd that one posts and then does not wish for discussion. I put it down to eccentricity and move on. There was one blog addressed to me very clearly as I had written a poem for a contest..I could've sent mail to explain but it wasn't something I was bothered too much about. Therein lies art...we take it or leave it; no big deal...unless of course one is paying millions for it, in which case, I tend to think one is just bonkers and has nothing better to do with too much money...I ramble; something i like to do on blogs..pointless perhaps to you.. :)

Lin Lane
Date: 8/12/2017 3:22:00 AM

Ramble on all you like, taai, and I don't find your opinions pointless at all. A blogger must first make a point that can be understood if he/she does not allow comments. The person who wrote a blog addressed to you is a good example of being just that, when it could've been dealt with through private mail. I agree with you on the idea of eccentricity. Thanks for stating your views.

Lewis
Raynes

Date: 8/12/2017 12:10:00 AM

I love blogs with comments cut off. Who made the rule that they must be open for discussion. A true open community attracts and supports all type of freedoms, including the closed blog. Judge not... Blah blah. I encourage everyone to blog or comment as they see fit.

Lewis Raynes
Date: 8/12/2017 6:58:00 AM

My comments have been blocked.... Ironic

Lewis Raynes
Date: 8/12/2017 6:56:00 AM

I did not remove it. My right for that reply was taken from me in this simple blog of free thought.

Lin Lane
Date: 8/12/2017 2:39:00 AM

For whatever reason, Lewis' remark was removed. It was, "Soooooo you agree with me," to which I replied, I agree that you have the right to have an opinion and state it.

Lewis Raynes
Date: 8/12/2017 2:36:00 AM

Soooooo you agree with my opinion...

Lin Lane
Date: 8/12/2017 2:02:00 AM

No one said there is a rule that blogs must be open for discussion. This one is not focused on judging anyone but merely to voice opinions, as you just did. The first two words clearly read, "Open forum." Even if "blah blah" is your opinion, you were able to take part.

John
Anderson

Date: 8/11/2017 9:26:00 PM

I love this headline: "Pointless aggression makes me really angry" Touche

Lin Lane
Date: 8/12/2017 1:51:00 AM

That's quite humorous, John. Thanks.

Wayne
Kingston

Date: 8/11/2017 5:46:00 PM

Post and then wait for engaging discussion. Isn't that what this function is for?? Used to blog but discussions take off in such unexpected directions, simply gave up posting. An evocative topic here, LL. :-)))

Lin Lane
Date: 8/11/2017 6:01:00 PM

It SHOULD be the function of blogs, and I agree with that, Wayne. Despite the fact that the header stipulates to "stay on topic," some have used it stray off the issue(s). Thanks for your input.

Dale Gregory
Cozart

Date: 8/11/2017 5:38:00 PM

No point? No Blog. At least if your point is not to communicate and discuss something substantive with your fellow poets. If not, why bother?

Lin Lane
Date: 8/11/2017 5:59:00 PM

A great point you've made, Dale. Thank you for such insightful thoughts.

JAN
ALLISON

Date: 8/11/2017 4:42:00 PM

It's totally pointless and rather pretentious Lin. I have no idea what certain blogs mean as they make no sense.:-( hugs jan xx

Lin Lane
Date: 8/11/2017 4:51:00 PM

Exactly, Jan. I may be wrong but I don't think blogs are meant to be used as diaries. And why not add to an existing one on an issue instead of opening a new one by the same person?

Frederic
Parker

Date: 8/11/2017 4:34:00 PM

actually there are only a few who have posted blogs and then closed off discussions and one of them hasn't been on here for a few months, but I hear you it really doesn't make any sense

Lin Lane
Date: 8/11/2017 4:39:00 PM

Thank you for thoughts on the issue, Frederic. They're sincerely appreciated.

My Past Blog Posts


The Pretense of Pointless Blogs Date Posted: 8/11/2017 4:25:00 PM
Vacation Contest Entries Date Posted: 2/9/2016 7:33:00 AM
A House in New Orleans Contest Date Posted: 1/28/2016 2:53:00 PM
House in New Orleans Writes Date Posted: 1/4/2016 7:33:00 AM
POSITVELY only positive thoughts...No NEGATIVE nasties Date Posted: 12/22/2015 11:40:00 AM

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Date Posted	PoemTitle	Form	Categories
10/23/2017	The Depth of Passion's Kiss	Romanticism	desire,kiss,
10/17/2017	In Winds of Sorrow	Sonnet	faith,
10/12/2017	Cockadoodle Don't	Lyric	conflict,
10/8/2017	Poet - Your Cover is Blown	Limerick	poetry,
10/6/2017	On the Banks of a Woodland Stream	Pantoum	memory,romantic,
10/6/2017	Nate Has His Eye On Me	Free verse	storm,
10/5/2017	Voices Softly Whispered	ABC	snow,wisdom,
10/4/2017	The Bride's Bouquet	Rhyme	flower,
10/4/2017	Snow in Spring	Verse	snow,spring,
10/3/2017	Eight Days In Fall	Sonnet	daughter,grandson,missing
9/25/2017	That Itchy Finger	Rhyme	perspective,
9/24/2017	Mean Old Pumpkin	Rhyme	fantasy,halloween,
9/24/2017	AUTUMN ROYAL	Rhyme royal	autumn,sad,
9/22/2017	Dawning of A New Romance	Romanticism	romance,
9/22/2017	Wildfires In His Eyes	Romanticism	sensual,
9/21/2017	Twas Left Unsaid	Couplet	lost love,words,
9/21/2017	Life is Just a Dress Rehearsal For the Real World	Rhyme	future,life,perspective,
9/21/2017	Broken Stringed Doll	Sonnet	cry,loneliness,sorrow,
9/20/2017	SNOWFLAKES	Acrostic	snow,
9/19/2017	Night Visits to a Vile Place	Free verse	abuse,dark,fear,
9/19/2017	Glorious Days Under The Sun	Personification	flower,life,sun,
9/18/2017	I Found Contentment in Your Arms	Rhyme	love,romance,
9/18/2017	Thar Blows Maria: Collaboration with New Additions	Limerick	storm,
9/17/2017	He Was Just a Deadhead: Mystic	Rhyme	nonsense,scary,
9/16/2017	'Grimm' Tales of Dread	Limerick	brother,horror,
9/16/2017	Love's Lament	Free verse	desire,moon,sea,
9/13/2017	A Chorus Sang Its Last Concerto	Elegy	beach,emotions,
9/7/2017	Aglow in the Night Sky	Sedoka	moon,
9/7/2017	Beneath Celestial Wings	Rhyme	angel,faith,
9/4/2017	Farewell Dream Weaver	Haiku	scary,sleep,
9/3/2017	Beyond Love's Limit	Rhyme	moving on,sorrow,
9/1/2017	Ill Winds of Change	Free verse	lost love,sad,
8/29/2017	In Defense of the Innocent	Rhyme	poetry,
8/27/2017	Discord Ruins Harmony	Rhyme	introspection,
8/27/2017	One Step Closer to the Edge	Rhyme	depression,emotions,
8/25/2017	Spanning the River	Personification	environment,river,
8/24/2017	Feel My Reprimand	Sonnet	god,
8/23/2017	Drawing Blood: Join In	Limerick	humorous,insect,
8/22/2017	The Mark of Twain	Rhyme	perspective,
8/22/2017	In Celtic Shadows: Collaboration with Mike	Villanelle	emotions,love,
8/21/2017	The Silencing of Ben	Rhyme	silence,time,
8/21/2017	SUMMER RAIN	Ottava rima	lost love,rain,rose,storm
8/20/2017	Funny Lookin' Creature With a Squeaky Bark	Rhyme	animal,humor,silly,
8/19/2017	Thoughts of 'The Poet'	Personification	art,imagination,
8/17/2017	Threshold of Madness	Terzanelle	death,fear,
8/16/2017	My Soul Cries Joyful Tears: Written with Mike	Sonnet	devotion,love,
8/16/2017	Polly Wally Doodles: written with Jan Allison	Limerick	humor,
8/15/2017	In a Shadowed Place	Rhyme	dark,
8/14/2017	The Blowhole Bully	Rhyme	humorous,
8/14/2017	As Love Lay Dying	Elegy	lost love,
8/13/2017	Verbal Stones	Free verse	emotions,sad,
8/12/2017	Journeying Through Mountains	Rhyme	mountains,travel,
8/11/2017	Happy is a Feeling Without a Ceiling	Rhyme	happiness,
8/10/2017	The Hour of Painted Skies	Free verse	emotions,
8/9/2017	I Broke Free	Narrative	emotions,
8/8/2017	Murmurs and Soft Sighs	Sonnet	desire,
8/7/2017	When Her Roses Bloom	Romanticism	lost love,rose,
8/3/2017	Death is a Work of Art	Rhyme	death,heart,
8/3/2017	This Really Blows	Sonnet	humorous,
8/2/2017	Pearls Beneath the Harbor	Haibun	people,places,world war i
8/2/2017	Seasonal Color	Rhyme	beach,sea,summer,
8/1/2017	Love is Actually Nebulous	Rispetto	emotions,lost love,love,
8/1/2017	From Slippers To Stilettos	Rhyme	betrayal,
7/31/2017	Bizarre	Limerick	surreal,
7/31/2017	Fanning the Flames	Rhyme	smile,
7/29/2017	Ignorance	Name	analogy,
7/27/2017	Make All Things Right	Free verse	character,inspirational,s
7/25/2017	When I No Longer Love You	Romanticism	love,romance,
7/24/2017	On the Edge of Dawn	Rhyme	morning,
7/23/2017	As Thorns Draw Blood	Rhyme	betrayal,emotions,
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7/20/2017	Longings Within	Verse	longing,
7/18/2017	We Eclipse as Sun and Moon	Rhyme	longing,
7/17/2017	The Price One Pays For Glory	Free verse	bible,
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7/15/2017	Offer a Poet a Bouquet of Your Words	Rhyme	poets,
7/15/2017	Twin Scepters	Rhyme	feelings,storm,
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7/13/2017	Wildfires Burn in Your Eyes	Rhyme	sad love,
7/12/2017	Fragile Beauty	Pantoum	art,beautiful,
7/11/2017	Pointed Fingers, Sneering Faces	Rhyme	earth,grief,
7/10/2017	Blind to Deception	Rondeau	betrayal,
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7/4/2017	Poet in Recluse	Rubaiyat	emotions,solitude,
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7/2/2017	You Have To Shut Up	Rhyme	people,
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PoemTitle	Form	Categories
Where Now Shines Light and Love	Sonnet	art,beautiful,creation,li
Without Lament	Sonnet	introspection,
With Salty Tears	ABC	divorce,goodbye,kiss,wife
Fragmented Fantasies	Quatrain	angst,betrayal,break up,e
No Tomorrows Without You	Verse	love,
Stupid questions	Free verse	angst,dog,guitar,humorous
Dream Lover	Sonnet	dream,lost love,love,love
The Rose - Poet's Dozen	Verse	earth,life,rose,seasons,
Winter's Gods - for contest	Free verse	winter,
You Call Me Love	Sonnet	beauty,hope,identity,love
all the world is thus compared	Free verse	love,romantic,
In dreams I've wandered far beneath	Free verse	love,
Seeking The Refuge Of Great And Airy Dreams	Sonnet	art,beautiful,dream,heart
Always Yours	Dramatic monologue	heart,introspection,passi
Broken Promises	Free verse	abuse,betrayal,blue,
The Solstice Door	Iambic Pentameter	life,light,mystery,mythol
Life Saving Rain	Acrostic	appreciation,art,blessing
An Ode to Loss	Ode	bereavement,depression,re
Fresh Start	Rhyme	celebration,feelings,hear
Flames That Weep	Sonnet	poetry,
Lady of the Stream	Sonnet	analogy,beautiful,friends
Love Without Hope from the Book and the Pen	Rhyme	allusion,beauty,cute love
Bound By Love, Found In Time	Lyric	destiny,dream,soulmate,tr
Does your heart share this moon tonight	Free verse	longing,love,
Fool's Gold	Rhyme	poetry,
Hidden Treasures	Shape	art,
Like Ice --- THE WALTZ	Alliteration	absence,allusion,color,da
A Cathartic Weave Of Three	Free verse	break up,celebration,devo
DAYBREAK QUADRO	Verse	morning,nature,sun,
SCREW YOU	Free verse	bullying,goodbye,poetry,s
Whispers In The Morning	Rhyme	absence,bird,blue,lost,
Tonight	Rhyme	first love,moon,nostalgia
Whisper Soft Into The Night	Rhyme	love,
BLACKBIRD HAIKU	Haiku	beauty,bird,morning,natur
Tranquility	Couplet	children,god,granddaughte
BLUE MOON RISING ON A STORMY NIGHT - TITLES CONTEST	Free verse	heartbreak,moving on,rela
AT THE FOOTBRIDGE - LIMERICK COLLABORATION	Limerick	betrayal,body,humorous,
Like You	Free verse	art,life,love,
The End of Time	Quatrain	death,destiny,time,
How Jan and Lin Slayed the Dragon	Limerick	fantasy,humor,
Tell the Night to Hold Me	Lyric	forgiveness,heartbreak,he
AND THEN IT STOPPED - EMOTIVE WRITE	Free verse	child,dark,death,
Under the Stars	Verse	autumn,poetry,romance,sta
Flip Me Over	Rhyme	care,courage,friendship,
ROSES ARE RED - COLLABORATION WITH RALPH SERGI	Rhyme	flower,nature,romantic,
Confessional	Rhyme	angst,feelings,
The Curse: COLLABORATION	Limerick	body,humor,
Love's Reflection	Sonnet	giving,love,
HEAVENLY BODY - LIMERICK COLLABORATION - BAWDY	Limerick	body,humorous,
KING ARTHUR - A collaboration with Darren White	Couplet	art,friend,friendship,
To Be One	Free verse	name,self,
Love's Eternal Death	Sonnet	emotions,lost love,
Intentions Yearn	Rhyme	desire,love,
LOVE IS BLIND	Free verse	abuse,betrayal,innocence,
In the depth of dusk	Free verse	destiny,hope,life,sunset,
Natures Gifts	Free verse	earth,environment,flower,
Dark Rainstorm	Ottava rima	dark,imagery,rain,
In Celtic Shadows - A Collaboration With Lin	Villanelle	dream,love,
INDELIBLE INK	Free verse	bullying,internet,
Truth Found, Recovery Of A Broken Soul	Rhyme	art,deep,farm,hope,life,l
Courage of Youth, Battle of Ypres, Flanders Field	Sonnet	conflict,death,fate,sorro
Each small ornament reminds me of you	Verse	beauty,love,
BATHING BEAUTY	Senryu	flower,garden,giggle,humo
A smile appeared	Free verse	wind,
Angels	Sonnet	angel,
Covered Silence	Free verse	character,confusion,depre
The Power Of Love	Rhyme	love,lust,
Come Stay	Rhyme	love,
Puppets Of Hell On The Stage Of Life	Rhyme	analogy,bullying,evil,ima
CUTTING THE TIES	Free verse	conflict,dark,deep,family
Depth of Thought	Sonnet	nature,relationship,

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Charlie Smith	United States	Read
Darren White	Netherlands	Read
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