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Deborah Guzzi writes full time. Her third book, The Hurricane is available through Prolific Press. https://prolificpress.com/bookstore/prolific-books-c-12/the-hurricane-by-deborah-guzzi-p-151.html Her poetry appears in Allegro, Artificium, Shooter, & The Foxglove Journal in the UK, Subterranean Blue, Existere, The Ekphrastic Review, Scarlet Leaf Review & Subterranean Blue Poetry, Canada - Tincture, Australia - mgv2>publishing, France Cha: Asian Review, China - Vine Leaves Literary Journal, Australia - The Scarlet Leaf Review - Greece, Ribbons, pioneertown, Sounding Review, Bacopa Literary Review, The Aurorean, Liquid Imagination, The Tishman Review, Page & Spine & others in the USA. 


Getting Out There and Getting Paid

Blog Posted:3/3/2013 8:04:00 AM
Lately, I have felt a bit disenchanted with poetry sites. Being so absorbed in writing daily, I found this site to be very stimulating BUT I was unaware that everything I posted is counted as self published and not acceptable as an entry for publications which PAY. Below you will find the article which I just read that explains this clearly. The site is called

Writer's Relief

http://www.writers relief.com/blog/2009/12/after-self-publishing-how-to-find-an-agent-and-a-publisher-for-your-self-published-book/



The definition of previously published:
Back when print publishing was the sole option for sharing work, previously published was a black-and-white term. If your poems, stories, or essays appeared in a book, journal, anthology, textbook, newsletter, newspaper, magazine, or any other publication, your work was considered published. If it didn’t, it wasn’t. Simple. But now, more complicated questions arise.

Previously published poems, stories, and essays:
Literary journals don’t want previously published writing because editors want to ensure that their publications are fresh, new, and unique. In other words, editors want to be first to discover your writing. Also, editors would prefer to stay away from any rights entanglements.

Is work considered previously published if I post it on a blog, Web site, large social-networking site, or online literary journal?
If you’ve posted your writing on any of the above sites, it is generally considered previously published.

Is my work considered previously published if I post it in a writing forum or Web board?
If the forum or Web board is private and intended for the purposes of encouraging feedback or community support, then most editors and literary agents will consider the work unpublished. But just in case, you may want to take it down once you’ve received feedback so it doesn’t appear online.

If the forum in question is public (that is, if nonmembers can see what you’ve written), then your work will likely be considered previously published.

What if I published my work on my blog or other Web site, but then I take it down before submitting it—is that considered previously published?
This can be tricky. Try not to publish your work online if you plan to submit it elsewhere (like print journals). If you did post online, no one can stop you from taking your work down and then submitting it, but be warned: Editors may not like this tactic.

Once your work is removed from the Internet, do a search of random lines from the work to make sure it is not appearing anywhere. (Warning: Google and other search engines will often archive old Web pages, so simply deleting something from the Web doesn’t mean it’s gone!) If an editor finds your “unpublished” work online, you might look irresponsible or, worse, devious.

If I publish an excerpt online, does that mean the whole work or part of the work is considered previously published?

Generally speaking, excerpts are okay to publish online, as long as they are on the short side (relative to the work in question).

Previously published novels and books:
The rules for determining what is previously published change when you move into the book-publishing business. Literary agents and publishers at traditional publishing houses have different expectations and goals than editors of literary magazines, so the concept of what it means to be previously published can shift.

It’s no secret that literary agents are keen marketing experts. The success of their business relies almost entirely on their ability to find and represent books that are not only well-written but also potentially lucrative. Because of this, work that is available online can sometimes be unappealing for a number of reasons. First, if the book is already being published and the writer is making money, the agent is cut out of those profits. Second, if a book is posted online as a free download, why would readers pay to read it?

The laws (and the industry jargon) are still trying to catch up to the technology. Keep in mind that the following points are general guidelines: Each literary agent or editor may have his or her own definition of what is considered previously published.





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Date: 3/11/2013 3:02:00 PM
Thanks for the helpful info. I was wondering about deleted poems and stories that were self-published.
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Date: 3/4/2013 8:13:00 AM
Good info and blog.
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Date: 3/4/2013 7:30:00 AM
Yes, Chris I am starting a daily habit [I HOPE] of writing one for myself and one for here..maybe..LOL, I need an editor believe it or not my grammar is far from perfect! If there is anyone out there maybe even 6 folks who want to try to submit work for publication we could all edit each other and help pick proper sites.
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Joann Grisetti
Date: 3/4/2013 11:10:00 AM
I am interested. I have difficulty editing my own work, and you are most helpful.
Date: 3/4/2013 7:25:00 AM
I believe I was able to reach that UK site by googling Poetic Republic, the link as printed didn't work in the google search engine. This sounds like great fun BUT..they also require Previously unpublished work
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Date: 3/4/2013 5:14:00 AM
Thanks Debbie. This very informative.
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Date: 3/3/2013 4:52:00 PM
I like the haibun form and soup has now added it but in tyoical form they gave an example which does not use a haiku..I'd like to know for sure and am researching whether tanka can be used
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Date: 3/3/2013 4:47:00 PM
http://qlit.blogspot.ca/2010/09/50-highest-paying-journalsmagazines-for_15.html haven't checked these out myself. But here are a few to consider. Note: It is advised that any writer first get his/her feet wet in publishing by being published in NON PAYING journals/mags as a way to garnish tear-sheets (publishing credits) It does look better in a query letter to a publisher to say where you have had your work published, especially for paying markets. Some small presses will pay in copies, too. Oh... and Andrea is bang on with what she's saying. This is also true of small literary mags, too. And I am looking forward to you sharing your finds. Thanks, Hon! You're always looking out for us xox
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Date: 3/3/2013 4:21:00 PM
one last thing. Just wanted to tell you that I am seeing amazing entries in your haibun contest. It make me wish I had sponsored a contest like yours!!
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Date: 3/3/2013 4:19:00 PM
Continued..Anyway, there is no money in that business. She could barely make any money off it and she had to have people give her their poems to use for free since it was so expensive to put out a magazine with quality paper and mailing costs. .. You will be very lucky to find any magazine that pays you, and for that reason I highly disagree that we should not be able to give poems from online. After all, there is little chance that readers of magazine are also reading Soup's poems. MArie did not care about that stupid previously published rule and anyone with a brain would realize how ridiculous it is.
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Date: 3/3/2013 4:17:00 PM
Debs, you will not find many magazines that pay for poetry. The vanity ones make YOU pay THEM (a subsciption fee). The GOOD magazine that try to be selective will sometimes let you have a copy of the magazine. When I was editor for Marie at Shadowpoetry, we put out a really nice magazine called SPQuill. She and I would decide which poems got in. Marie would always weed out about 90 percent of them and then I would select my favorites from among her 10 percent. This meant that the magazine was using good quality poems because Marie had very nice taste in poems and I didn't need to weed out very many poems . I usually liked what she liked.
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Date: 3/3/2013 4:06:00 PM
I can let this stop me or I can figure out a way to do both? I think we can all help each other those of us who would be so thrilled by having our joy be at least one of the ways we find food for the table? I am going through a list now of Magazines which pay for poetry & I will let you come along with me.
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Date: 3/3/2013 3:27:00 PM
I think it's a very stupid rule and I was well aware of it, Debs. When I hate a rule, I just go by the saying Rules are meant to be broken. (anyway, I have not published in years since I prefer just sharing online!)
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Date: 3/3/2013 10:07:00 AM
Debbie I find this very fascinating as well as incredibly eye-opening, I had no idea about this, not that I am seeking a publisher (ha). Still very interesting, great blog...
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Date: 3/3/2013 9:46:00 AM
Aw, hon, I soooooo think that you should receive compensation for the art you create. It is not JUST that poetry is a poor-man's art. There is such a difference in fiction writers and poets. Storywriters can see PAGES as practice, a way to hon skills, but some poets get caught up by ONE WORD or one line, one verse? I think you should write as you like, CHOOSE a market, write FOR THAT market and what you choose to share on the net, treat like a mandela, lovely, worth sharing & free to land where it may. Whatever you end up doing, write what you want, what inspiration and heart calls for... thine own self, hon.... damn the torpedos & damn the markets. Hold your candle high! LOVE YA! GREAT BLOG
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Date: 3/3/2013 9:41:00 AM
Thanks....was not aware of this.
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Date: 3/3/2013 8:38:00 AM
I think this is a public site because I can read poems without logging in. Also, most of the poems posted here show up in a google search. Have you used Writer's Relief?
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Date: 3/3/2013 8:32:00 AM
Joann, I glad you support me in this, I did read that if the site was private ie:members only ..the public can not read it..some publishers are OK with this.
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Date: 3/3/2013 8:30:00 AM
Dee I would like to think my writing has reached a point where some one would pay for it LOL, anyway...perhaps I should go toward writing more haibun as an entry because most would I believe concider that [short story?] also don't we all write be cause we want readers? as well as for the release?
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Date: 3/3/2013 8:19:00 AM
This is the best blog I have read. Most helpful, clearly this is an area we must watch. I rarely post many poems. I have run into contests that will consider the poems here as 'unpublished' but others that don't. Thanks for the warning.
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Date: 3/3/2013 8:17:00 AM
Hey, Sis. Well, only half-a-handful of poets will ever make any money for their poetry. I can make $5-$1,000 for a short story and not pay an entry fee for some contest. When I started to look into how to "earn" money as a poet, now there is a laugh, insert track here, my jaw dropped. I've been paid for my fiction, but to get paid for my poems I must give them $10-$25? Huh??!@# so I was aware of this. Now, in Canada, we do have some poets who manage to get an art's grant, find a reputable publisher and maybe sell enough to buy some groceries for a year. There is no money in poetry, only art and personal reward as far as I can see. Still, worth every wrangled, wrestled line, to me. And you..
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 3/3/2013 8:30:00 AM
This book lists publishers looking for poems, what their criteria is, what they are looking for, what they deem as unacceptable, where to send, what they pay (HA! GOOD LUCK!) and how often/when they accept submissions.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 3/3/2013 8:27:00 AM
First thing, you have this book, right? If not, get it! xox http://www.amazon.com/dp/1599635984/ref=rdr_ext_tmb
Date: 3/3/2013 8:07:00 AM
I think I need to stop writing here, I don't know if I can [fret] perhaps I can write one for here and one to hoard grrrr what a pain in the butt!
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