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Blog Posted:10/13/2024 4:18:00 AM

Years ago a poem would just trickle down the list because poets rarely posted more than one a day, some only two or three a week and there were less poets. Now as PS has grown there are more poets, posting many more poems than ever before. In this area of listing PS has become a victim of its own success.

     Let's look at why poems fall down the list so quickly .               Poet A posts one poem, poet B posts ten poems, poet A is now in position eleven , poet C posts ten poems , poet A is now in position twenty one ,     Now, as has been suggested to solve the problem we should compress each poem from four lines to two. We do that , so what position is poet A in now. Still position twenty one. Compressing the poems doesn't change the numbers .  If poets B and C had posted one poem each then poet A would be in  position  three , so it follows that the more  poems posted on top of poet A the quicker poet A falls  down the list . It's that simple.  
 

After recent debates on this issue PS reduced the number from ten to five, which seems to me a fair compromise .   No offence is meant to anyone in regard to this post, just trying to set the issue straight.   Take care, Richard.
 

 

 

                                                                                   

 



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Date: 10/30/2024 12:17:00 PM
That's just one list though. We have multiple "new poem" lists that don't move poems off the list as fast.
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Date: 10/14/2024 10:01:00 AM
After reading Richard's blog, I concur that the shelf life of a newly submitted poem is lessened because of the higher volume of poems/poets on this site than ever before. True. One solution is to allow members to purchase tokens that allow them to resubmit their poems-and to allow fellow members to purchase tokens to resubmit poems of a deserving poet's poem that they like. Have a separate page for resubmitted poems (exclusive) would be a win for everyone imo.
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Richard D Seal
Date: 10/14/2024 11:09:00 AM
Hi Connie, Thank you for commenting, interesting idea, I hope a solution will be forthcoming that everyone can live with. Richard
Date: 10/13/2024 6:45:00 PM
Hi Richard. I wonder whether TPS could set a reasonable limit (like it is with sharing posts on social media). It might be an idea to have the poets' poems automatically disappear off the New Poems list if they exceed the said limit. Those who feel the need to habitually post poems in large quantities (mental health issues is not the only reason - I suspect there are others) will only shoot themselves in the foot if their motivation to do so is to get noticed. It will also go a long way towards curing spam - nonsensical content or repeatedly post the same poems over a period of time. As for posting poems with the aim to immortality, I thought that poets' accounts disappeared after inactivity
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Suzette Richards
Date: 10/15/2024 1:30:00 AM
My door is always open, Richard. I enjoy a healthy debate: "Attack the idea and not the person." (The motto of my debating society at college).
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Richard D Seal
Date: 10/14/2024 10:59:00 AM
Hi Suzette, thanks for these comments, I too have been thinking along similar lines, they are something of a jumble at the moment, a little time in weighing up is required. I agree with what you’re saying, though I feel some space will not go amiss while things calm from yesterday. Is it ok to throw some ideas your way in the near future. Richard
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Suzette Richards
Date: 10/13/2024 7:22:00 PM
As for quality over quantity, that is perhaps subjective. If I find a poet I like, I am often disappointed that they didn't post more poems in a specific poetic form I am interested in. I wonder how many of our poems will stand the test of time whereby AI would be called upon to create a poem in the style of (insert our name) ...
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Suzette Richards
Date: 10/13/2024 7:06:00 PM
Leaving your poems as a form of legacy might not serve the intended purpose, especially if you are not using your real name. :) Try and substitute a volume of your poems for the expected £50 Christmas present, and see your otherwise loving family member's reaction. TPS do ask us not to use this site as the only record of our work, or have I misunderstood...?
Date: 10/13/2024 12:34:00 PM
This is my final comment on this (or any other issue) for a while. I need a break from here for my own mental health. First: anyone who has taken the time to get to know me understands I am absolutely a mental health advocate and am the primary support for a family member who suffers. Okay, now onto the issue. The main argument against limits (admittedly, ten IS a limit) is this: some folks need to write multiple poems per day for the sake of their mental or emotional health, and that attempting to limit that in any way is arbitrary and cruel. I couldn't agree more. If a person needs to pen a hundred poems per day they should be permitted to do so. But that is NOT the issue under discussion
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 12:40:00 PM
The issue under consideration has to do with posting, not writing. PS has a right to set limits for a number of reasons, not the least of which is capacity. It has already been established that poets who post multiple poems typically do not get comments, which basically means no tangible support. It is ultimately self defeating if they are seeking attention, commendation, or accolades. This can result in further emotional stress, since we all desire praise. And there are so many other options for posting: five here, five on another site, emails or texts to family and friends, personal journals or diaries, the list goes on. To summarize (and then it's VAMOOSE): Writing and posting are two entirely separate issues. For the former there are not and can be no limits, for the latter limits are both necessary and reasonable. Hope everyone has a great week!
Date: 10/13/2024 8:23:00 AM
Thank you, Richard. I disagreed with others stating it was due too long titles. Ha the "Categories" are wider, longer. Now I have to turn my phone to see the whole page! These things matter! Administration reinstated the 10 rule. My experience with that was going back to check for replies, I'd get lost, which poem was it again? It made me stop commenting to those poets with too many all together, chasing the poems. I think of it as quality over quantity as well. Wish they'd fix it back. I enjoyed your study, Genius. Most vote thru email...quietly. Because 1 or 2 complain constantly, admin is messing with them lol. It sends an unnerving vibe, highjacking the Soup as they do!
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 10:26:00 AM
;)
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Richard D Seal
Date: 10/13/2024 10:22:00 AM
Thank you Anaya, I refuse to rise to the insults, you live and learn here on PS and it’s apparent you have picked up some wisdom too.
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 10:08:00 AM
@ Dearest Richard, when it comes to posting your poems, although you may be a dabbler you have every right to make your case. BTW you've been here since 2013. An elder statesman should be respected, my God! This case is reopened ;)
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 9:37:00 AM
Rules are one thing. Enforcement is another. And so it goes... Btw, I still would like it reduced to one a day, but compromise is the name of the game. Sadly, not everyone agrees
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 9:33:00 AM
check it out Tommy... Gadbois, Charles has ten some in a row and two lingering
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 9:27:00 AM
Submit page still says 5
Date: 10/13/2024 8:20:00 AM
Agree with DD and maybe consideration for this: How about if the links “Poems - New (All)” and “Poems - New (PM)” take you instead to the “only ONE new poem for each poet” page directly? Your choice then to click a link away from that page to “all new poems” While there is a Top 100 for most poems list there will always be frustrations about it. The 10 or however many poems per day allowed will still be up but not on the main new poems page. Cheers - Gary
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Craig Cornish
Date: 10/13/2024 6:07:00 PM
TOM LEAVE THIS LADY ALONE!! You run about flirting with all the gals while dumping on others---it is so tedious!
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 11:27:00 AM
How I treat people on this site is evident by the overwhelming support I receive on my poetry, my blogs, my contests. I give praise and commendation, support new poets, try to make people feel good about their efforts and yes, occasionally speak out against what I believe to be false, unjust or unfair. I recall praising you on a number of your poems. Your welcome. I really do wish you all the best. Take care. PS. I think you are an outstanding writer
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Di11y Da11y
Date: 10/13/2024 11:24:00 AM
Peace, love and joy should be not just a phrase you throw out or poetry you write Tom. It should be embedded into how you treat people on this site. Rest assured I will never visit your page. You are blocked from my page for good reason. I'd like it if you practiced what you preach and never attack (or speak to or about me) again. That is all I want. I have no trouble with anyone, you and only you bring trouble to my door.
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 11:18:00 AM
Peace, love joy. That's my response to you Dilly. Enjoy your Sunday. I have no one blocked. You are welcome to visit my page anytime.
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Di11y Da11y
Date: 10/13/2024 11:15:00 AM
How you feel is nothing to do with the way I express myself Tom. You roam every blog trying to upset people so you can complain you've been treated badly. I blocked you when given no other choice because you plagued my page. I never visit your page, you say yourself I'm not blocked. I don't hassle you, you stalk me and try to cause me distress. That is your MO and you don't do it to just me. You might remove the evidence once you've done it, but you don't remove the harm you cause people. You just find any way you can to continue harming them.
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 11:07:00 AM
Here's what I do know: admins have made a decision that is a fair COMPROMISE. Please just accept it everyone and quit trying to make those who support it feel like they are somehow beneath you. We're not you know.
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Di11y Da11y
Date: 10/13/2024 10:47:00 AM
You gave me the same advice Tom and it wasn't wanted or helpful. Perhaps you don't understand everyone's reasons for writing and posting poetry. Perhaps, and let this sink in - you can only speak for yourself.
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 10:40:00 AM
Here's the flip side of the coin, and this is what I tried to explain to a poet on a previous blog: her comment was that she just wanted to be read (she's a tenner). My reply was why not try posting less and give people the chance to catch their breath? Let's say you post ten. One poem you feel really rocks, half are so-so and a few are scribblers. You really, really want everyone to see your best one. But if you post a bunch all at once... This is not speculation btw, check out the poems of the "tenners" and count the number of comments received. My recommendation was actually meant to HELP these folks get noticed, contrary to what those who like to twist my words would have you believe
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Richard D Seal
Date: 10/13/2024 9:29:00 AM
This sounds like good idea Gary, let’s hope TPS think on it.
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Andrea Dietrich
Date: 10/13/2024 9:20:00 AM
This sounds like a good idea too, Gary.
Date: 10/13/2024 7:58:00 AM
the voice of common sense and practicality, with a dash of consideration for others thrown in for good measure :) 'poem dumping' is like turning up at a party and eating all the food, leaving none for anyone else...expressing a viewpoint is not tantamount to complaining
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 9:26:00 AM
I like admins comment, "No one should get upset over ideas"
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Andrea Dietrich
Date: 10/13/2024 9:18:00 AM
Love that, you really know how I feel Charlotte...how we voice becomes infectious...soon everyone complains instead of voicing their concerns practically.
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Craig Cornish
Date: 10/13/2024 8:07:00 AM
LOL - perfect analogy
Date: 10/13/2024 7:30:00 AM
Perhaps the compromise is 10 per day for lifetime members, 5 for premium members and 3 for non paying members. That way there is incentive to join, it minimises those spamming the page using a free account and those really feeling what can at times be an emotional need to record their poetry still can.
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Di11y Da11y
Date: 10/13/2024 11:16:00 AM
Don't worry Anaya x
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 11:16:00 AM
I like lin's advice below. Gloves off. Decision has been made. We all have opinions. None are necessarily better than another. We're all equal in standing including Richard or anyone else regardless of how active they might be. Apologies. Peace to all
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Di11y Da11y
Date: 10/13/2024 11:04:00 AM
Thanks Anaya - I appreciate your support but don't worry. I am and have been before very upset by Tom's attitude towards me. Quite blatantly baiting until I react then twisting it round to look like me. Not just to me but to many people. However, that being said, I'll cope and I don't want it to upset you x
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 11:04:00 AM
Dilly, I noticed, I followed you, and I understand anxiety, I wanted to support you. I felt you. For me it's an obsession and I had to step off. I know I don't post as much as other do, I'm content with what I do post it's alot for me, I love my poetry and don't worry if others do not. It too is healing for me. I still think that the member who has 218 pgs @10 a day and still going on like that a day, is proof that posting profusely (a better word) is cathartic, but won't fill the void.
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 10:57:00 AM
@TW Please do not treat Dilly like that, it's disrespectful, I find it unnerving.
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Di11y Da11y
Date: 10/13/2024 10:53:00 AM
I don't believe for one second I'll silence you. That's why I phrased it as a question. Why do you persist when you have no horse in the race? You claim over and over and over again not to care about any of these matters and hang around every blog to shout down anyone who says it matters to them. You talk over them with your own perspective and insistence that things change. Those things being things that affect other people and not you. Please wax lyrical to explain your actions of the past week where you have insulted (blog still there for anyone who wants to fact check) tens of people who expressed an opinion, made personal comments about self published poets and sponsor credentials - all for things that you say don't matter to you and everyone can see don't affect you. Why don't you set up the contests that you say everyone wants? Channel your excess energy. Please.
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 10:44:00 AM
@Dilly why do you persistently try to silence me? Surely you must realize it's in vain, right? It was my recommendation on poem limits that got the whole conversation started. Please refrain from making personal comments and stick to the issue.
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Di11y Da11y
Date: 10/13/2024 10:26:00 AM
I posted up to 10 per day for months and it was essential to my wellbeing. Limiting sounds great until you acknowledge there is a view one per poet list and this whole argument is pointless (and unkind to those that feel the need to post)
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 10:19:00 AM
Dilly, almost there, how about (5) Lifetime, (3) Prime (2) nons. Negotiations in place! Your brilliant
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Di11y Da11y
Date: 10/13/2024 9:57:00 AM
Tom if you have no horse in the race then why do you persist?
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Andrea Dietrich
Date: 10/13/2024 9:18:00 AM
I like this, ,Dilly Dally, but now I am hearing it went back to ten?? (for everyone?) Doesn't seem like a great idea, but I think debate is over then.
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 9:00:00 AM
Admins have spoken. Why not just humbly accept their decision?
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Craig Cornish
Date: 10/13/2024 8:06:00 AM
excellent and TPS should like the additional incentives
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Jan Allison
Date: 10/13/2024 8:03:00 AM
The voice of sanity speaks out Dilly-Dally - an excellent suggestion but how would it be implemented as poets are still posting in excess of 5 at the moment ? As you know I totally disagree that a small minority have had their 'will' imposed on other soupers, cutting posting from 10 to 5 is something perhaps admin should have put to the all the members and not based on the thoughts of some who seldom post poems on the site.
Date: 10/13/2024 7:10:00 AM
I suggest backing away from this war of words. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and nothing is going to get resolved this way. I have family visiting today and they are more important to me than PS. Take off the boxing gloves, all of you, and have a happy Sunday. The peace on this site will not be accomplished this way. If you advocate it, show it.
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 9:00:00 AM
Turkey for the Woody's today
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Craig Cornish
Date: 10/13/2024 8:05:00 AM
Agreed, I have to make stuffed grape leaves
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Richard D Seal
Date: 10/13/2024 7:22:00 AM
Backing away isn’t always an option Lin, there are times when change needs to take place to keep up with the situation .
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Richard D Seal
Date: 10/13/2024 7:14:00 AM
Yes at Andrea’s suggestion, I advocated 2 to 3 at most but the compromise is five, for now. I’m still smiling Tommy, thanks
Date: 10/13/2024 6:14:00 AM
I like Andrea's suggestion even better Richard (a long time valued member) that 2-3 poems per day is sufficient. Maybe in time. From a strictly practical point of view, how do you keep accommodating for so many added poems over the years? Imagine the memory required. Anyway, keep your chin up. You've been here a long time. Your pov is as valid as anyone else's
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 8:44:00 AM
@ Tommy...2 to 3 Yes! It looks intimidating to see 10, as if a race of who can do more. Don't like that vibe. Permanent fixtures on homepage, can’t be good for their health, I WORRY for them, Truly. :) Posting less then others doesn't mean my Lifetime membership isn't going to good use, just wait!
Date: 10/13/2024 5:36:00 AM
admin say 40000 poets registered but many are not active on the site and I see that it was only about 9 of you who commented from on the' proposed changes ' blog which a handful of us were blocked from even commenting on. (unblocked so we could comment but no one rose to the bait) so bearing in mind you are not even active on the site your case for 5 a day does not sit well with me
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Jan Allison
Date: 10/13/2024 6:01:00 AM
It beggars belief Tania!
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Lin Lane
Date: 10/13/2024 5:41:00 AM
Nicely stated, Jan, especially your last point. TPS has corrected the title line length, and it's already making the needed correction with the issue.
Date: 10/13/2024 5:35:00 AM
we should be embracing the creativity of poets it is a poetry site after all, there are people who post lots of poems as it is their way of coping with mental health issues, there are people who are ill and leaving their poems as a legacy to their children and there are poets who god forbid - they enjoy writing poetry, so why on earth should their creativity be compromised because of the will of a small minority.
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Date: 10/13/2024 5:35:00 AM
Thank you for your common sense approach Richard. It really is about the numbers. Admins have spoken. So sad to see you getting bad mouthed for having a viewpoint. It happens to me all the time
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Date: 10/13/2024 5:27:00 AM
I totally disagree Richard, the reason poems were disappearing wasn't due to apparent poem dumping, it was because of the line length on the new' poems screen which could run to up to 6 lines, now the screen has been amended it is down to 2 lines. It is pretty ironic you bring up this issue as you have posted just 2 poems in 2 years - you are hardly an advocate for preventing regular posters from posting on poetry soup. i rest my case
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 10:06:00 AM
@Richard, when it comes to posting your poems, although you may be a dabbler you have every right to make your case. BTW you've been here since 2013. An elder statesman should be respected, my God! This case is reopened ;)
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Richard D Seal
Date: 10/13/2024 6:16:00 AM
TPS, No, the reason is as stated above. Why you have chosen to repeat my opening statement (albeit abridged) and consider it a reply I have no idea. I acknowledged that numbers have grown over the years, along with multiple posting and it appears so do you. You need to adapt to the changing situation. Five a day is the compromise of the moment. I predict this will be revisited at some point in the future.
Date: 10/13/2024 5:11:00 AM
We have 4000 active members. That's probably the reason.
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 9:54:00 AM
Don't worry, Tommy I'm sure they'll change it back...that member should have taken the time to think it out more thoroughly like RICHARD above has. I think TPS is just messing with that member! lol
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Tom Woody
Date: 10/13/2024 9:39:00 AM
Same Anaya. I can only see partial names now
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 8:37:00 AM
A shout out to software development! Good job. Now for those who use phone device only, we now can't see the entire page (new poems feature) Lol. ;)
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I Am Anaya
Date: 10/13/2024 8:34:00 AM
@ TPS 5 a day is more, as quality over quantity is. I posted my experience with too many at a time above. :)
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Jan Allison
Date: 10/13/2024 5:59:00 AM
TPS you have kindly altered the page width so that poems with long titles are no longer the REAL issue of why poems were disappearing off the new poems list so quickly. and was not those who post ten a day. You may have 4000 'active' members but the 'changes blog 'only resulted in about 10 comments on poem dumping so it is hardly a good percentage who were opposed to the posting of multiple poems . The change to 5 was done covertly based on the opinion of a small minority many of who are not exactly active on the site like the writer of the blog. so I would like to have the 10 a day facility re instated. Perhaps if you had mailed all members asking for their opinion then I could have accepted the change but not as a result of so few, after all it is a poetry site and creativity should be embraced and not stifled on the whim of a few people
Date: 10/13/2024 5:03:00 AM
Makes total sense to me.
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Richard D Seal
Date: 10/13/2024 11:26:00 AM
Thank you Keith, hope all is well with you.

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3/1/2013 Blame It On the Moon Sonnetmoon,
2/27/2013 What Is This Space Quatrainblue,inspirational,
2/26/2013 Battling Addiction Coupletinspirational,me,me,
2/25/2013 Kiss the Rain Coupletnature,kiss,time,
2/24/2013 Fire In the Blood Coupletpeople,love,
2/18/2013 A Mind Made Up Quatrainlost love,heart,heart,lov
2/17/2013 Hiya Folks I do not know?humorous,me,me,

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Fav Poems

PoemTitleFormCategories
In Celebration of Real Men Quatraintribute,age,age,life,stre
My Words Are Safe Tail-rhymethanks,
Stonehenge Terzanellehistory,moon,people,star,
Male Domination Free versebeauty,desire,fantasy,ima
A Naughty Twist To An Old Rhyme Rhymehumorous,passion,silly,
Pink Lace Dramatic Monologueanger,bullying,cancer,dea
Food Inglorious Food Coupletfood,
Attitude Rhymelight,
Swallows In the Fog Verseintrospection,life,nature
If I Never Free versepoems,words,
Plucking Grapes Along the Lane Haikusister,
A Dream Weaved Free versebeautiful,celebration,for
In a Crazy Zombie World Rhymeparody,
Clerihew Soup Clerihewtribute,
Haiku Versus Rhythm and Rhyme Haikuon writing and words
Rich-Heart Rhymeromantic,
Fave Poets Meet Rhymefriendship,
Eileen Queen of the Romantic Pen Terzanellededication,
Big Girls Do Cry Free versecourage,freedom,growth,mo
Companion For Life Sonnetemotions,life,
The Shed Rhymedeath,humorous,sky,wife,

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Book: Radiant Verses: A Journey Through Inspiring Poetry