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In 2016 I wrote an online course on “Poetry Appreciation and Analysis Skills” on Open Learning.  The course can be found at: https://www.openlearning.com/courses/poetry-appreciation-and-analysis-skills   

In 2017 my friend and I completed a speech development project we were working on and published Special Pictures to Talk About:  https://www.amazon.com/Special-Pictures-Talk-About-mini-book- 

I grew up in the Barossa Valley, an area of South Australia predominantly settled by German immigrants. As a dark-haired, tanned little English girl (remember Britain was at one stage occupied by the Romans), I was very different and mercilessly teased. I remember the struggle to learn to read – painfully stringing three letter words together – there was Sam and Pam and a ball. Sometimes there was a fat cat on a mat or dog with a ball. Reading was a slow process until one birthday, I sat down with my gift, a Famous Five book by Enid Blyton. The mystery story was so exciting, I finished it in one session and I was a fast reader from that moment onwards. I loved Enid Blyton, her Wishing Chair stories, Magic Faraway Tree stories, fairy-land and toy-land stories as well as the mysteries.

A couple of years later, I discovered The Lion, Witch and Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis. It was so amazing, I read it seven times in a row! Eventually, I discovered there was a whole series… I survived on this sort of fair until I was sixteen and read The Lord of the Rings trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkien. That gave me a taste for adult fantasy. In search of more riveting reading, I discovered Stephen King and James Herbert. Stephen King’s Danse Macabre led me to H.P. Lovecraft, on whom I completed a Master’s project.

I learned to sew when I was ten and dressed myself throughout high-school and university in my own designs. I tried putting seams where seams traditionally did not go, or had not gone for a decade or two. I also put zippers in unusual places and added flounces and uneven hem lines. In the mid-1990’s fashions available in the stores began to catch up to me.

I enjoyed writing poetry and short stories, although was discouraged I had no early success in competitions. In 1988, I wrote my first full length manuscript, often scribbling on the train as I travelled from Newcastle to Sydney to attend post graduate study at university. In the year 2000, I brought my second full length manuscript into being and 2004 saw my third full length manuscript. None is published yet, but I still keep writing.

In the year 2001, I returned to another creative passion of mine, which was dance. I spent five years learning Ballroom dance and participating in dance school showcases. I also learned Belly-dance and had a go at most other types of folk dance. I spent a year with a performing group, the Matinee Entertainers, before moving onto coaching after school sports, circus and gymnastics. I never turned professional, but I loved fun and games and spreading the enjoyment amongst others. Always keen to find a dramatic outlet, I joined the production committee for a community Nativity performance and in 2010, a Nativity Play I wrote was produced by a local church.

I currently tutor English and have been doing so under my own ABN since 2007 – trying to create that “aha” moment when reading becomes pleasure instead of pain for children struggling to read and write. 

 

The down-side of competitions and what I'm learning on Poetry Soup

Blog Posted:5/31/2017 7:26:00 PM

Hello everyone. Thirty years ago, when I was a young students and very keen writer, I entered a prestigious poetry competition. My university lecturers did not think my poetry was “ready”, but I did not want to be held back. The competition offered cash prizes, a number of placements and inclusion of about a hundred poems (I think) in an anthology.

I heard nothing back from the competition, and when I purchased the Anthology, I was seriously disappointed by the winning poems. First was my denied personal interest - surely in a whole anthology, one of my small poems might have found a place? Secondly – the nature of the winning poem. It had a better grasp of rhythm than I could ever hope to develop. But the subject matter… I was pretty sure the inclusion of the word “sex” in the title – even though the rest of the poem was not explicit had contributed to the win. This was the 1980s and subject areas which had been censored or formerly discussed tastefully were considered the new artistic barrier to be breached.

I was discouraged. I kept writing poetry after that – but I wrote for myself and kept my poetry to myself.  

A few years later, I tried to join the poetic world again. I enrolled in a short not-for-credit course at the local WEA (Workers Education Association). I enjoyed the course, until it came to the closing lessons and the facilitator, who was a published poet, began to promote the local poetry group and its annual competition. Surprise of surprises: the winning poem was one about bumping one’s head after going to the toilet. (I know one poet in here would be shocked to hear that – but it is true!) This was the early 1990s and pushing the boundaries of censorship was still the aim of current art in Australia.

I knew I didn’t have sex poems or toilet poems in me, so I’m afraid I curled up and wrote very little poetry after that. I certainly didn’t show it to anyone. I was still a writer and three novels bust out of me over the years, all to meet the same sort of barriers – what market did they suit?

Last year, my sister-in-law DENISE HOPKINS joined Poetry Soup and reported her positive experiences to me. She had found friendly people ready to mentor each other. Her exposure to audiences on the internet made her the subject of school projects even though she was still an aspiring poet!

At first I was reluctant to follow her example – I didn’t want to be a “copy-cat”. But over time, I became convinced Denise had found one of the better poetry sites and healthier poetry groups in the world. So here I am, entering poetry competitions to win or lose and steeling myself not to back off if I don’t hear back from the majority of competitions I enter. Some of you have been very kind granting me places in your competitions. Other times, I hear nothing back and I guess if every competition turned out that way, I could still get discouraged.

I’ve also run a few competitions and I’m not doing this because I think I have the answers – I’m doing this because I want to learn from YOU – my ENTRANTS. These are a few of the things I have learned so far:

  1. The Judge receives too many good poems, so some fantastic poems may still not place!
  1. Nobody gets anything from making it to round two, even though that is an achievement.
  1. Without names the Judge can get things wrong. Two or three times, I have been sure poems were from male entrants, but when the names were revealed to me I found they were from female members of Poetry Soup. I think the last contest, I imagined one poem was from a female and the entrant turned out to be male.
  1. Without names or context the judge may not always fully appreciate humour.  I know one poem I thought was mildly “clever” became funny when I later saw someone’s comment and twigged as to who had posted it.
  1. Some people have fantastic original ideas and a greater mastery of form than I do. (Of course I already knew that.)


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Date: 6/3/2017 5:20:00 PM
The Soup has the power to action, and to ensure a clean slate is administered so that what is requested is adhered to by the paying Members. This in turn can fuse the non Members to think. hey, this is where I desire my writings to be. Regarding the contests, it beggars belief that it's not already flowing as it should, and as a lifetime member, it leaves me saddened... :(
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Cecelia Hopkins-Drewer
Date: 6/3/2017 9:39:00 PM
James, the Poetry Soup competitions are pretty good. And there are plenty of them, so people can try again! I was mostly saying that competitions can discourage as well as encourage. Outside competitions are far guiltier than PS competitions. In here you are likely to at least get a commnet...
Date: 6/1/2017 4:06:00 PM
...Oh little upside downside your top is on your bottom....(stolen from a ditty about an "upsidedown cake". Appreciate my placement in your contest and truly appreciate the intricacies of "judging" the entries.
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Date: 6/1/2017 11:44:00 AM
I am so glad I read your blog! I feel the same way about some contests. Politics must have a hand in some! When you see that the people that won are connected with the judge. Or as you say, writing what reflects todays chosen topic. Thank you so much for my placement and I also applaud Poetry Soup as a wonderful friend of the poet. My favorite! I mostly post here now!
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Date: 6/1/2017 9:03:00 AM
What I have learned is which judge who has a contest judges on poetic merit and which judge their contests based on friendships...and then you have some judges who really don't have a grasp of poetry but have convinced themselves they do..there are many really good contests from some really good judges you just have to learn who they are.
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Frederic Parker
Date: 6/1/2017 3:34:00 PM
all poems are posted for all to read if they chose to...this wasn't meant to be a point to debate rather an observation from the many years I have been on this site.In fact, some contests ask for a particular title so they don't read them
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Cecelia Hopkins-Drewer
Date: 6/1/2017 3:05:00 PM
The names are removed Frederick, so I'm not sure how judges would award on friendship - unless something goes on behind the scenes - which I really wouldn't like to suggest.
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Jan Allison
Date: 6/1/2017 1:42:00 PM
You sure are astute ... your comment made me smile :-) Such wise words indeed Frederic!!!:-) hugs Jan xx
Date: 6/1/2017 3:36:00 AM
Interesting blog Cecilia. I see you hosted a premiere contest where you are restricted in the poems you can place, If you sponsor a standard contest you can have more winners:-) hugs Jan xx
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Jan Allison
Date: 6/1/2017 3:31:00 PM
On the standard contests the 1st, 2nd and 3rd places get a 'gold medal' by their name. In the premiere contests the 1st place gets a trophy on their poem and again the top 3 get a gold medal shown on the winners page:-) hugs Jan xx
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Cecelia Hopkins-Drewer
Date: 6/1/2017 3:08:00 PM
Thank you Jan! I wanted to experience the maximum restriction placed on judges - I also wanted winners to recieve the electronic trophy. Unless my eyes decieve me, standard winners are getting the icon as well now?
Date: 5/31/2017 8:24:00 PM
I love what you said about learning from your entrants! I had said this years ago that contests could be used to teach judges! :) Also, you know what you said about 'nobody gets anything for getting to round 2?" There is another option which I've used. You can write a blog after the contest is judged and have a "short list" of poems that may not have won a placement, but that you enjoyed. I've done this. You can mention one thing you enjoyed about the poem (or more.) Like you said, there are many poems that a contest sponsor may like that did not place. Just offering an option... glad you are enjoying hosting contests and your time on Soup. Cyndi
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Date: 6/1/2017 3:11:00 PM
Thank you Cyndi. I had wanted to post a congrats to all entrants after sponsoring my first contest - but couldn't find any post contest functions. I've only just worked out I could cross over to the blog function and somewhat artificially do it over here.
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Kim Rodrigues
Date: 6/1/2017 11:46:00 AM
I like that idea Cyndi!
Date: 5/31/2017 8:02:00 PM
Thank u so mega much for my placement in ur contest, and congratulations to all the poets gaining ur placements. I agree that sometimes there are so many great entries that it seems criminal to not award more but that's the nature of the contest. Many times I've hosted contests and felt guilt to not award more. Cheers
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