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Clean and Clever Limerick Contest Update

Blog Posted by Roy Jerden: 11/17/2014 7:51:00 AM

So far, out of 31 limericks submitted, only three have passed all the technical requirements.

A few had the syllable count off, a few didn't follow the AABBA rhyme scheme or didn't have perfect rhyme, a few were not dated, and one had the poet's name on the poem. A couple weren't clean. Many had multiple issues. 

Check your syllable count at http://howmanysyllables.com/PoemWorkshop/index .

Of the others that didn't pass, by far the main issue is  the meter.

Please review your poem again and consider doing a scansion to check the meter. Look at the contest rules to make sure you comply with all of them. Otherwise, you will not be placed.

See my previous blog about how to do a scansion. http://https://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry_blogs/blog_detail.aspx?PoetID=31317&BlogID=24798

On the meter, the poem must follow one of several specific anapest patterns as explained in the rules:
The meter must show the following variable syllable stress pattern:

 (da) da DUM da da DUM da da DUM (da) (da)  
 (da) da DUM da da DUM da da DUM (da) (da)  
 (da) da DUM da da DUM (da)  
 (da) da DUM da da DUM (da)  
 (da) da DUM da da DUM da da DUM (da) (da)  
 
Meaning that you may leave off any of the optional syllables in parentheses.

I will specify the permissible metric patterns below for clarity.

For lines 1, 2 and 5:

8 syllables:
da DUM da da DUM da da DUM

I had one 8 syllable limerick that used da da DUM da da DUM da da. That is not correct.

9 syllables:
da da DUM da da DUM da da DUM
or
da DUM da da DUM da da DUM da

10 syllables:
da da DUM da da DUM da da DUM da
or
da DUM da da DUM da da DUM da da

11 syllables:
da da DUM da da DUM da da DUM da da

For lines 3 and 4:

5 syllables:
da DUM da da DUM

6 syllables:
da da DUM da da DUM
or
da DUM da da DUM da

7 syllables:
da da DUM da da DUM da

BTW, it was not listed as a requirement, but ideally, the meter in lines 3 and 4 should start with the same starting metric pattern as 1, 2, and 5.

The other trap a poet falls into is syncopation, i.e. forcing the pronounciation of the words into the correct metric pattern even though they would not normally be pronounced that way naturally. It's an easy trap to fall into, which is why a scansion is important.

There was one poem that was very close that I wanted to mention so it can be corrected:

There once was a housewife named Claire
Who shook her dust mop in the air
The dust whirled like stars
The earth, moon and mars...
Who’s shaking a dust mop up there?

There ONCE was a HOUSE-wife named CLAIRE - OK
Who SHOOK her DUST mop in the AIR - meter doesn't work. See line 5. 
The DUST whirled like STARS - OK
The EARTH, moon and MARS.  - OK (planets should be capitalized, BTW)
Who’s SHAK-ing a DUST mop up THERE? - OK

The stressed syllables in "dust mop" have to be consistent.  I think "dust" is the stressed syllable, but either way, it has to be stressed consistently. You cannot pronounce it "dust MOP" in line 2 and "DUST mop" in line 5 to make it fit the pattern artificially. That is syncopation.

Humor:
None of the limericks came even close to making me laugh. A faint smile at the best. 

If you want the limerick to be funny, it should employ traditional humorous devices. 

The most common device is what the Germans call Schadenfreude, happiness at the misfortune of others. It's the president's pratfall, the pompous church lady with the toilet paper stuck to her shoe, etc. 

Another device, a bit kinder, is incongruity. That's the surprise twist, the punchline at the end that often makes a joke funny.

Another common device is manipulation of the language, using puns and tortured rhyme, dialect or clever double entendres.

The really funny limericks will use several humorous devices.

You can get ideas from jokes. The idea is to discover what the essence of the joke is and use that , not just reproduce the joke. You have only five lines. The first two are to set up the premise. The second two can either extend the premise or turn it. The last line should be the punch line, ideally a surprise twist.

I will check all the poems again before final placement.

Cheers,
Roy



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Date: 11/20/2014 11:10:00 PM
I don't think Roy is being too strict. He is simply being firm in what he is asking for. I find that people are often too soft. I see contest here where people are placed that ignored or broke rules. Not only is this pathetic, but it is a disservice to those that followed the rules. Even with the best effort, in the end, if the job is not done, it remains undone. Don't like the rules of a contest? Cant write to the rules of a contest? Then don't enter. Better that, then to enter and expect something you don't deserve. Want to grow, then practice, research, etc. Don't try to sell the justification of breaking the rules under the pretense of 'growing'. And Roy, stick to your guns.
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Date: 11/20/2014 10:02:00 PM
You are being too strict Roy, effort should be rewarded as well as perfection if we are to grow in our skills.
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Roy Jerden
Date: 11/20/2014 10:29:00 PM
I have no way to measure or determine effort in a PS contest. There is no feedback mechanism. I can only measure results, as far as the technical requirements go. It's a five line rhyming poem with regular meter, not rocket science. Every one of the ones with errors are easily fixable. It's like figure skating. You have to do the mandatory forms before the artistic part.
Date: 11/20/2014 9:23:00 PM
Some folks have removed their poems from the contest, so I am opening it back up.
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Date: 11/20/2014 5:57:00 PM
I did not enter a limerick in this contest because of the humor factor. If it doesn't make me laugh I don't figure it will make anybody else laugh. I think you make a very good point about the humor factor Roy. I did check my meter though. It was low so I threw in a bunch more quarters and now I can park there for another hour. You see what I mean about the humor factor...not funny...even annoying. Cheers and good luck with your contest Roy.
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Jan Allison
Date: 11/21/2014 5:39:00 PM
LOL Maurice you had me giggling here:-) Hugs jan xx
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Rob Carmack
Date: 11/20/2014 11:24:00 PM
LOL
Date: 11/19/2014 2:18:00 AM
okay, i'll check mine, roy.. thanks
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Date: 11/18/2014 12:47:00 PM
the contest is now closed Roy - can we still amend the poems? Hugs jan xx
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Jan Allison
Date: 11/18/2014 2:24:00 PM
thanks Roy:-)
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Roy Jerden
Date: 11/18/2014 2:19:00 PM
I'm giving everyone a few days to make their corrections. Should be plenty of time to fix it. Cheers, Roy
Date: 11/17/2014 10:20:00 PM
:P :P :P
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Date: 11/17/2014 3:19:00 PM
by the way, thanks for the heads up on that one word I misspelled in a contest the other day. It was not a typo. I just never really used that word before!!
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Date: 11/17/2014 3:16:00 PM
oops, I think I did not know the date rule!! HOpe I passed everything else!!!
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Date: 11/17/2014 2:21:00 PM
One thing from your blog, you wrote: [You cannot pronounce it "dust MOP" in line 2 and "DUST mop" in line 5 to make it fit the pattern artifically. That is syncopation.] I thought this was possible, because the stress of a one syllable words is determined by word order, not the word itself (for single syllable words).
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Date: 11/17/2014 12:55:00 PM
Thanks, I see where I went wrong even though it fell into a false meter at first. Thanks - I will revise!
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