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I've been writing ever since I first picked up a pen, and have had poems published in various literary magazines and anthologies. My passion is contemporary free verse, and I read a lot, because I do believe that the more you read, the more it enhances your own work. Aside from writing and literature, my other main interests are music and singing, theatre, and ballet. I sing all genres from classical through to jazz. I also have an interest in vintage fashion.


Open Poetry Contest Judged (harshly!)


Blog Posted:3/12/2017 3:14:00 PM

I have to be honest, the overall standard in this contest was disappointing. This happens from time to time, not sure why, blame it on the planetary alignments. Nevertheless, I found five winners, so congratulations to those five, and thank you to everybody who participated.

I'll be hosting Open Poetry Contest #2 in due course, so let's see if we can ramp up the standard; I'd like to be able to fill all ten winning slots next time.

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  1. Date: 3/18/2017 1:54:00 PM
    $.02: Open forum on Poetry Contests? The PS ruled generally make sense. Sometimes the poet-sponsors seem unclear on precisely the rules for their specific contest require. Confusion reigns. Why have multiple winners (beyond 3-4 placings)? It's almost like getting participants awards in youth sports. Shouldn't contests bring the best possible work to the front? Being honest in poetry constructive critiscm doesn't mean a poet is being "attacked". How else do talent-developing-earnest-poesy-seekers grow? I am a firm advocate of PS's core values but sometimes feel the "building of poetic self-esteem " is not serving anyones ultimate best interest. Lovefest or sincere poet nuture site...?

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    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/18/2017 2:39:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Wayne, right on - the contest requirements should be clear, easy to understand, and hopefully simple. My only disagreement would be with the numbers of placings - let's say there are only 3 and my poem is the 4th or 10th or 35th best. I value knowing where my entry is in the grand scheme of things, versus just "off the podium." However - without any illuminating comments from the sponsor (which admittedly would take a substantial amount of time and energy on their part) - the situation will likely be quite hazy anyway, so perhaps I don't disagree after all.
  1. Date: 3/18/2017 10:46:00 AM
    Arrange a way so that all of my poems are automatically entered into your contest as I write them. I would gladly give you my permission. jthorn5656atgmail.com That is my email address you can use but had to write it in such a way so it doesn't confuse Poetry Soup.

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    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/18/2017 2:10:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    James, I trust you are not holding your breath, waiting for satisfaction here.
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/18/2017 11:28:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I think you should post this one more time for emphasis
  1. Date: 3/18/2017 10:45:00 AM
    Arrange a way so that all of my poems are automatically entered into your contest as I write them. I would gladly give you my permission. jthorn5656atgmail.com That is my email address you can use but had to write it in such a way so it doesn't confuse Poetry Soup.

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    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/18/2017 2:23:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    James, thinking back to when I was 14 years old, I am literally twice the man I was.
  1. Date: 3/18/2017 12:35:00 AM
    Charlotte, I was just wondering how you summoned up the energy required for hosting a contest, while being so ill with all those health issues. I don't know, if the responses you got made you feel better or worse. Anyway, tell me in advance when you host the next one. I will have no complaints if i get rejected bc i know the high calibre you possess as a poet and judge which only a handful in PS would be able to measure up to.

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  1. Date: 3/17/2017 11:42:00 PM
    regarding re post of poems in contest. , esp. ones that won a contest in the past. what purpose does it serve to the poet? what challenge does it serve? than to placate their ego, rack up leaderboard points. in brian's last contest i saw an entrant do such. it doesnt make sense. the rules didnt state any guidelines. but still. it didnt state give me your best poem of the past. but still. its that important to her, im guessing. c's contest and most others state current poems which to me fits the most logic.

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    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/18/2017 2:13:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Connie, I love the reference to "double big berthas" - good stuff indeed! And as for your avatar - I tink I luff her.
    Strand Avatar Brian Strand Date: 3/18/2017 12:04:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Well Connie as I say, it remains a level playing field in my contest as I did not go to the 'concert' to hear the strad played three years ago! You needed to be here then to realise about contests then.
    pachecho Avatar connie pachecho Date: 3/18/2017 11:34:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    if her poem plays like a Stradivarius 3 yrs. ago you think it's going to change in your contest Brian? so yes it changes the playing field to repost. 100%. plus im taken aback as to why she would have to do this considering her talent.
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/18/2017 11:30:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Connie paycheck strikes again!
    Strand Avatar Brian Strand Date: 3/18/2017 11:10:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Connie I would not say it is vanity.PS contests had many problems before the change ,hence the reason for the now more stringent requirements of Premiers.I never know whether they have won an earlier contest anyway so it is always a level playing field in my contests
    pachecho Avatar connie pachecho Date: 3/18/2017 9:49:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    if they need to use their double big berthas to gain an edge they why not. forget the level playing field because theyre chasing vanity, avatar distinction. it doesnt make sense.
    Strand Avatar Brian Strand Date: 3/18/2017 9:10:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Connie my contests only state a max no of lines.I am always happy for poets to submit from their back catalogue.One reason poets might submit a poem that had won previously is because that win could have been before PS introduced the Premier format with the 'avator link distinction' to Standard contests.
  1. Date: 3/17/2017 3:34:00 PM
    Wow... didn't think so many opinions on how someone should word their own blog and/or judge their own contest would have accumulated. You judge how you deem appropriate within the guidelines, strict or not, you've set forth. Bottom line. You're the one putting in work here. Hope to enter one of your contests one day soon Charlotte. Thanks for taking the time to host them.

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    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/17/2017 6:56:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    You go flo!
  1. Date: 3/17/2017 10:04:00 AM
    Charlotte ! What is bad grammar ? I make words look different by adding a different end like " Velour'd " ...now I love how this word both sounds and looks...but know it's incorrect...would you bomb me or take the word in context and say " yeah, that works" ...this is my only fear that the precision of the judges cloth doesn't suit...x ( see what I did there ?)

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    MARK Avatar ANTHONY MARK Date: 3/18/2017 7:59:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Only because that is our job...rather than reinventing the clever metaphore we should be creating a poetic language akin to archaic speech, but relevant and authentic ...otherwise we may as well just yawn through a delegate od limericks and Prosies ( plural)
    Puddifoot Avatar Charlotte Jade Puddifoot Date: 3/17/2017 7:22:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    you're one on your own you are! you bend, twist, manipulate and invent words lol
  1. Date: 3/16/2017 3:29:00 PM
    so mediocrity is caused by a poetry contest on a web site and not the lack of skill by the poet who creates bad poetry..and if a judge deemed their work worthy of being mentioned it now lifts itself into the realm of being good..at some point the complaint is exposed by the poetry not the arguments to defend it ....let final judgement be by those that judge there own contests not by those who want them to conform to those posting in the contest or they may take their poems and go home..

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    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 10:01:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    And some of that mail was sent by people who are now described as being easy-going about the contests lol.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 9:58:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Yeah, I am most likely projecting the past into misinformation for the now. It used to be bad. When I finalized a contest, soupmail filled with *waa-waa* would start arriving.
    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/16/2017 9:30:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Chris, I don't see that peer pressure on sponsors - not that it never exists, I just don't see it. On the different types of judging, quite a few sponsors address that in the contest description - surely a very good thing.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 5:32:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    *contests
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 5:31:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Valid points, Frederic (if I gleaned them properly, that is). One of my angles is that certain online culture can foster mediocrity that obviously pre-exists before any contest were held. Yes, ultimately, a creation rests in the hands of the creator. And, I agree that contest sponsors should be able to run their contests as they want to without (wot sometimes seems to be a near-constant innuendo between the lines) conforming to the peer pressure of entrants. When championing for one type of judging, entrants might need to be careful not to rail too strongly against another type of judging, because all possibilities of the spectrum are part of free will.
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/16/2017 3:34:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    fred, that's pretty feisty! still trying to figure it out though before i decide if i agree. give me a few...
  1. Date: 3/16/2017 1:56:00 PM
    Charlotte...I regret having missed entering your contest and will look for the next one. I appreciate constructive criticism. I feel it helps the writer grow and improve. I am glad to read that I can expect this from you. I look forward to hearing from you with helpful comments towards improvement, should the instance arise. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and compassion for the genre. Big Hugggs deb

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    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/18/2017 2:21:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Would love, then, to see an alternate forum where Charlotte posts brief comments by a list of all entries ranked from top to bottom. Bet there would be some hilarious ones down there.
    MARK Avatar ANTHONY MARK Date: 3/17/2017 9:49:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Should the instance arise....it will, Charlotte takes prisoners and contravenes the laws of the Geneva convention...basically if it's crap you will know ....suggest you dine on her back catalogue so as not to need too many tissues....but I will check it for ya lol
  1. Date: 3/16/2017 1:24:00 PM
    The whole thing has been blown out of proportion, as you indicated below, Charlotte. If one views the remaining posts on my list, one can see where I came from, and some of the crutches are horrendous lol. With writing, the best thing that happened to me was having some of the hot air released from my ego while my 'bubble' burst. A scholar wanted to "help desensitize me to editors". I was all, pfffffft, oh come on, I am open-minded, I can take it. Well, when the verdicts came in, I surprised myself by going into an immature rage; white lightning crackled in my temples. After, when I could see and think again (lol), I realized that the suggestions were sound; the crutches in my writing glared at me. I took the advice, and it's held true and is priceless. No matter how much I change, there's always so much more change to go. It's an on-going process that will never be done. Had my bubble not been burst, I might still be using the crutches that are so wonderfully (lol) displayed here on PS in my list of postings. The "everyone passes" culture breeds mediocrity, illusions of grandeur, and a contentment to exist in stasis. I often wonder if that is a reflection of one's real life. We cannot change the constants of reality without breaking; we can change aspects of reality by bending to it, and flowing with it. And all the other blahblah :P

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    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 5:37:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Ah, but the way you changed it into "contentment crisis", was more thrifty and precise (hehe).
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/16/2017 2:27:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    "the everyone passes culture breeds mediocrity, illusions of grandeur, and a contentment crisis." I've been saying this ever since I joined PS, though admittedly not as eloquently
  1. Date: 3/16/2017 7:15:00 AM
    Charlotte, beware the Ides of March. Some in the Soup senate are getting restless! But don't worry, the sane and rational among us have your back!

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    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 1:46:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Back again. lol@senate.
    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/16/2017 1:40:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Keith, the Ides of March are behind us - no more bewarement until 2018, baby. ; P
    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/16/2017 1:26:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Charlotte - indeed, and I was over-thinking it. If I have any defense, I pray the court consider that we don't see body language or hear voice inflection when reading the screen. Also think that most such contests should be judged without mercy (so to speak).
  1. Date: 3/15/2017 10:15:00 PM
    I think "harshly" sounds too unpleasant, rather than just "in a strict, even-handed manner," or the like. This effect may be magnified by the difference between judging a contest and PoetrySoup's policy on comments - which seems to be tilted well to the "encouraging" side of things versus being critical. It only makes sense for the contest judge(s) to be coolly serious about things, even "brutal" if need be. I agree with Chris Aechtner on Brian Strand's blog - our biases definitely come into play. Then there are the things Charlotte mentions - bad grammar, etc. Either way, contest judging isn't about bending over backwards to avoid disappointing people.

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    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/17/2017 3:35:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    There must be some real wackos out there, then. : p
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 10:00:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Interesting. I was just wondering (something about your tone/syntax).
    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/16/2017 9:22:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Not unless the same is true for me knowing you, Chris. ; ) Pretty sure that is not the case.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 5:41:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Doug, I wonder if I know you by another name?
    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/16/2017 1:51:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Ruben, what I felt is that "harshly" seems to have a negative connotation. Or is that just me? Indeed - contest judges in no way have to be "encouraging," per se, and - IMO - should always be strict. For normal comments on poems, I wish more people would go deeper with criticism or at least give more in-depth analysis or reaction, though I grant that the circumstances of the poet matter.
    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/16/2017 1:34:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Charlotte - indeed, and I was over-thinking it. If I have any defense, I pray the court consider that we don't see body language or hear voice inflection when reading the screen. Also think that most such contests should be judged without mercy (so to speak).
    Puddifoot Avatar Charlotte Jade Puddifoot Date: 3/16/2017 6:23:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    doug, the bracketed 'harshly!' was tongue-in-cheek, not intended to be taken deadly seriously...the whole thing has been blown out of proportion
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/16/2017 2:53:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Hi, Doug. Im quite perplexed by your delicate sensitivity. Moreover, I would say that I can't believe that you consider the word harshly "too unpleasant, " although I understand that we're talking about subjectivity. : D!! Regarding TPS "policy" on encouraging comments, let me explain how it usually works: encouraging is when one Souper visit your poem and, without even reading it, type "great poem." Now, when you participate in a contest, the sponsor doesn't have to place your entry to "encourage" you (which, after all, it's awfully negative because if you wrote a crappy poem it would only confuse your senses and invigorate your "crappiness").
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 10:19:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    amen
  1. Date: 3/15/2017 7:42:00 PM
    I respect Charlotte's work enough, and know her as an amazing poet, that I personally would always trust her judgment and expectations to be higher than most. Of course personal taste is a factor in every contest. If one reads her work, or past winners in her other contests, perhaps one will get a better idea of what she is looking for, and strive for it. Or decide this contest is not for you. I would be honored to have her judge and cut me out if I didn't meet the mark. It might mean there is more for me to learn :)

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    Vinson Avatar Doug Vinson Date: 3/18/2017 2:18:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Agreed, Anthony. Hey, discarding all aspects of "encouragement" and the taking-into-account of what may be the writer's circumstance, I positively cringe at some of the misspellings, improper use of possessives, etc., we see.
    MARK Avatar ANTHONY MARK Date: 3/17/2017 9:57:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Nailed it Carrie....I missed this one because I'm in another pond...but I love Charlotte's judging technique....and I once didn't place because I made one error...a word I made up met the syllable count in my eye, but she saw through it and bombed me out...felt good to be found out by a class writer...be interesting to see what effect this has on her next contest.....
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/16/2017 3:00:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Hello, dear Carrie!!!!! Stop writing clever, discerning comments! You make us look bad.
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 8:29:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Carrie, both sensible and humble
  1. Date: 3/15/2017 12:26:00 PM
    Ooh, how did I miss out on tossing my pauper's hat into the ring? Heck, my opinion is as useless as any other, so here goes. As I stated on Brian's blog, Charlotte is right and wrong at the same time. On the one hand, she knows this is an amateur site and that many here are just here for fun and should naturally take such into consideration when judging. On the other hand, I applaud her for expecting more, yes more from those who take their writing seriously. Any time someone wants to offer help to make me a better writer, I'm game

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    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 11:03:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I am re-posting DMWJ for you.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 6:31:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Chris Achtung ha!
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/16/2017 6:19:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Can I change your troll name to Chris ach tung instead of Quith? Nevermind, that feels like a regression. Where's Martin anyhoo?
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 5:39:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I know, are pigs flying? This is going to come to boil sooner or later, right?
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/16/2017 4:51:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Oops. Hehe I meant new not knew
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/16/2017 4:49:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I know. First Chris, now you. You can be my knew 30 day trial buddy. After all, you did place 2nd in my contest lol. Now to work on Martin...
    Puddifoot Avatar Charlotte Jade Puddifoot Date: 3/16/2017 3:53:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    yes i know...but there's something wrong somewhere when thee and me are in agreement, it's just not cricket lol
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/16/2017 11:58:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    If you read all my (serious) comments then you know that ultimately I agree with you. However, reality is what it is... I think I've made my opinions known over the past year or two, ie, that I'm all for change and ramping things up to the next level. Of course, there's the dang reality thing again
    Puddifoot Avatar Charlotte Jade Puddifoot Date: 3/16/2017 8:53:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    yes, of course everyone is free to write here and there are different levels of talent, and everyone is free to enter contests, but if they do they should be able to take it if they don't place! and if they can't perhaps it's best they don't enter, for the sake of their own sanity (and mine as well! lol)
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/16/2017 7:12:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    @ruben what it does mean though is that anyone and everyone is free to write here, and thus there are different levels of talent (or non-talent). charlotte surely is aware
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/16/2017 3:06:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Tom, I think you misunderstand the "amateur" concept: amateur means nonprofessional, engaged on an unpaid basis. I doesn't mean that we "should" keep our crappiness and be proud of it. : DD
    Trestrail Avatar Keith Trestrail Date: 3/16/2017 1:39:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Tommy, I think you'll find that Marti is a gal. Maybe...Martina?
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/15/2017 3:45:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Intelligent in that I know how to spell my name, and it's not Martin.
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 3:42:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thanks for intelligent? commentary Martin
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/15/2017 3:31:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    The only thing you wrote that makes sense is that your opinion is as "useless as any other," so read what I replied to you below. I'm sure you'll come up with some smart ass response...have it. I couldn't care less what you think or write.
  1. Date: 3/15/2017 2:41:00 AM
    Oh dear,dear,dear...perhaps next time Charlotte you limit the winners to just 3 as in any podium, ..I didn't see this contest but will certainly take a look at your next one, too many hark the dove in flight to be disappointed she doesn't land in their garden...better seeds garden lovers, better seeds indeed...you will either love or hate my gothic palette , but you will not be disappointed....xdrifter

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  1. Date: 3/14/2017 8:21:00 AM
    Hi, Charlotte!! How dare you? ... Expecting quality and originality in a contest? Are you out of your mind? "Let me tell you, believe me, this is tremendous, so bigly, so sad." : DD

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    Strand Avatar Brian Strand Date: 3/16/2017 5:24:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Ruben re your comment to me below.The things you mention are of course implicit ,and the first consideration thereafter 'my subjectivity ' as to placing relates to the poetic content and whether it appeals to me .Have a good day
    Puddifoot Avatar Charlotte Jade Puddifoot Date: 3/14/2017 8:39:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    am i out of my mind? i'm getting there, ruben!...but you've just made my blog hot, so it's all good :)
  1. Date: 3/13/2017 5:51:00 PM
    I'll look for my creative cap and see if I can impress in the next one! ;)

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  1. Date: 3/13/2017 4:34:00 PM
    people know when they enter my contests that i am a tough, exacting judge; i read each entry with an editor's eye, asking myself "would this poem stand up out in the wider world of publishing, under an editor's scrutiny?"...in this particular contest the overall standard was unusually poor, and i can't pretend otherwise; poems contained predictable cliched lines, archaisms, bad grammar, and there were very few original ideas, or ideas expressed in an original, refreshing way

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    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/17/2017 12:12:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I type an emoticon but it didn't work.
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/17/2017 12:10:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    ??
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 1:49:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    LIKE
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/16/2017 1:47:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thanks Ruben, I am using your suggestion.
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/16/2017 3:13:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    @Chris: try typing it, look: LIKE. : DD
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/15/2017 5:12:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    If this were FB, I would "like" this comment.
    Wings Avatar Broken Wings Date: 3/14/2017 2:29:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Ouch!
  1. Date: 3/13/2017 11:46:00 AM
    Judging contests that one sponsors on PS is indeed very subjective, and what appeals to one does not to another.I used the fixed 1-10 place format,open subject to a line max For my part I felt that if 30 + folk troubled to enter then the least I could do was to place 10 of them.In most contests my problem was who to leave out.

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    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/16/2017 3:26:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Hi, Brian! Do not confuse subjectivity with not being able to differentiate cliché, nonsense, or tediousness. You can read my wannabe poems and see what Im talking about : D!
    Dietrich Avatar Andrea Dietrich Date: 3/14/2017 3:39:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    If this were FB, I would LIKE this comment!!
  1. Date: 3/13/2017 8:16:00 AM
    All judgements in amateur contests are subject to the bias of the sponsor. "Harsh" suggests there was something wrong with 30 poets' work, which there wasn't.

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    cornish Avatar craig cornish Date: 3/15/2017 3:12:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Bravo Chris, what "Harsh" suggests is that sometimes a judge actually judges instead of making everyone winners, personally, I think that sometimes 5 winners is too many.
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/14/2017 7:56:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Score one big one for you, Chris.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/13/2017 2:27:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    That is your subjective suggestion. The wording of this blog doesn't include that there was something wrong with 30 of the entries. "the overall standard in this contest was disappointing" was used in the wording of the blog, and that is Charlotte's subjective opinion, one that she has every right to hold. It still doesn't claim right or wrong. You then claim that there wasn't anything wrong with the entries. How do you know for sure? Did you read all the entries? Maybe one of the entries had glaring spelling and grammar errors in it. One of the entries might not have been a poem (a short story could have been entered accidentally). You are taking your opinion and trying to shape it into fact by leaping over logical gaps.
  1. Date: 3/13/2017 8:05:00 AM
    "One of the better entries" you said to Broken Wings. There was nothing wrong with my "Annoying Annette" Triolet, either in form or in interesting content. I have since removed the date so as to not earmark it out as being for a contest, but it was there when the contest was in play.

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    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/15/2017 6:58:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    A lot of "some" in that reply.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/15/2017 6:56:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    *some of the responses
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/15/2017 6:54:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    For the record, I don't know Julia. I've observed some crusty, sour criticisms that she unleashed against people. Some of the crusty, sour outlook is directed at younger writers, some of whom, in my subjective opinion, are far superior than Julia in their innovation and creativity, and I wouldn't want some of the more sensitive 'kids' to lose faith in their natural talent because of a bland writer (my biased opinion, only) who is mired in a "Miss Misery" state of being. In the past, when I've observed such crusty, senseless sourness directed at some of the more talented Soupers, I've contacted them to tell them that I think they have a lot of potential and find their work to be enjoyable (to hopefully bring balance to the crustiness), and some of responses were of thanks that included (paraphrasing), "I considered quitting poetry, thank you for believing in me." So, harsh words can have more impact than some people might consider.
    ALLISON Avatar JAN ALLISON Date: 3/14/2017 11:51:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Julia I see you've unblocked me to comment so I will respond to you. My comment was about MY work NOT about every person who entered the contest. You often remove poems that you consider didn't placed highly enough in contests so I really don't see what your issue is in this particular contest. I personally consider Charlotte to be one of the best sponsors of contests and to place on her list really means something to me.
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/14/2017 7:45:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I'm so in your corner, Chris. This is the other self-righteous judge who thinks her poetry is better than anyone else's. I could never make sense of her wayward work. Oh, she definitely wants it both ways and removes her 'poetry' when it doesn't place high enough. Good sport.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/13/2017 2:44:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    With one angle, you use the argument of subjectivity (in your comment above this one), and then use your own subjective opinion ("There was nothing wrong with my "Annoying Annette" Triolet, either in form or in interesting content.") to formulate supposed fact. Can't have it both ways. Your opinion might be that your Triolet has interesting content, but someone else might not find its theme/subject matter to be interesting (personal taste). Again, an attempt at trying to shape subjectivity into fact.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/13/2017 2:37:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    "There was nothing wrong with my "Annoying Annette" Triolet", either in form or in interesting content." -- Again, you are using the right/wrong argument. Who claimed that there was anything "wrong" with it!? In her blog, Charlotte is implying "standard" (the backdrop of her experiences, perceptions, opinions and tastes). One might try 30 different dishes, and none of those dishes were "wrong", yet the sampler of the dishes didn't truly enjoy them because of the subjectivity of her palate.
  1. Date: 3/13/2017 2:54:00 AM
    Did you come across a poem called Images?

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    Puddifoot Avatar Charlotte Jade Puddifoot Date: 3/13/2017 3:57:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    yes i did
  1. Date: 3/13/2017 12:01:00 AM
    Constance - she may have felt the sadness, the disappointment had to do with other issues. Study her winner's list and see those in contrast to the usual fare. It is more than just difference in style, there are many layers there. She is a tough judge, but it is good. I am glad she is being honest.

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    Ward Avatar Julia Ward Date: 3/13/2017 8:23:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    meant 35.
    Ward Avatar Julia Ward Date: 3/13/2017 8:08:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    In an Open contest, more than five out of 30 would have been good. It's not as if there were particular stipulations for us to follow.
  1. Date: 3/12/2017 4:10:00 PM
    Congrats to all the winners - will try harder for the next contest:-) hugs Jan xxx

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    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 4:30:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Lol. You do have a sense of humor after all. Consider it done
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/15/2017 4:16:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    The ragging comment was not in reference to my poetry. I would take constructive criticism from someone whose poetry I admire. Haven't you learned to shake the dust from your feet? Move on.
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 4:07:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thanks Martin (sniff). I'm touched. Have an excellent week. And mentioning that you don't respond well to constructive criticism is hardly ragging. It's just the truth. I'd be happy to revisit your poetry...
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/15/2017 3:50:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    You can call me whatever you wish. You have control over what you type. An inconvenient truth... now what would that be? I don't really care. I'll say this, Sneeker, or is it Tomasina? You don't score points with Jesus or Jehovah when you rag on people. Since I'm Christian I'll forgive you your idiosyncrasies. We all choose to serve God in the best light we can.
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 3:44:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    PS, I was commenting on your relevant? comment to Julia btw
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 3:41:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Yes, I've run into this before. If I dare to disagree or point out an inconvenient truth it makes me a bad Christian somehow. Well, they called Jesus a demon so I won't get to worked up about it Martin. Can I call you Martin?
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/15/2017 3:30:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Seeker, I wondered how long it would take you to chime in. I don't freak out over trivial things, like you wanting to offer constructive criticism. The blunt truth is I don't like you. I don't like your attitude and the way you horn in on blogs to stir up crap. Like now...your message to me has nothing to do with the theme of this blog, but you like to slap people around. And you claim to be a Jehovah's Witness? No wonder people don't take you seriously when you talk about religion. A 'chill pill?' You should take one.
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 12:32:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    @marti the one time I dared to offer constructive criticism on one of your poems you totally freaked, and haven't visited mine since. Time to take a chill pill on this one...
    Seeker Avatar The Seeker Date: 3/15/2017 12:30:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    @Quith, er Chris. Julia has powers which are unknown and possibly unknowable. So there
    ALLISON Avatar JAN ALLISON Date: 3/14/2017 12:33:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    You hit the nail on the head Marti:-( hugs jan xx
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/14/2017 7:39:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Julia thinks she knows everything and loves to criticize, but she can't take criticism and so does not allow comments.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/13/2017 2:56:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Julia, how do you truly know that everyone "tried hard this time"? Are you privvy to everyone's inner thoughts and intentions? If there's even a minuscule possibility that one of the entrants didn't try hard (what does that even mean in a more philosophical setting?), then "all" might not have tried hard. Yes, there's the possibility that everyone tried their hardest, and if so, I am curious as to how you acquired omniscience.
    Ward Avatar Julia Ward Date: 3/13/2017 8:09:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    We all tried hard this time, Jan.
  1. Date: 3/12/2017 3:24:00 PM
    Charlotte, thanks for the inspiration and congrats to your winners ~

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    cornish Avatar craig cornish Date: 3/15/2017 4:03:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    There is nothing disrespectful about telling adults indirectly about something they should already know, as a matter of fact, it is being respectful not to directly remind them. If they need to be coddled like children it is very sad. I see nothing wrong with the way Charlotte worded her blog, honesty is refreshing in this PC world, she could have said "everyone sucked, except the five that are posted"--thanks so much for wasting my time.
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/15/2017 3:44:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Craig: Nothing wrong with having high standards, but to let people know they didn't meet them with more sensitive wording would have been more respectful of their feelings and more gracious.
    cornish Avatar craig cornish Date: 3/15/2017 3:26:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Constance has always been one of the most graceful entrants in any contest and I respect her for that and in saying so, she would be extra excited to place in any of Charlotte's contests because she knows she earned it. AND Marti, it is very refreshing to see Charlotte maintaining her high standards, because unfortunately there are very few on the soup who have any standards at all.
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/14/2017 11:33:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    You are as entitled to your opinion as I am, and you have a nice day, too.
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/14/2017 11:07:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    @Marti: Constance feels her poems as if they're her children, and she's an overprotective mother ... not even I dare to say anything that could hurt her feelings. I don't think that Charlotte is demeaning those who submitted entries to her contest. She just said that was disappointed with predictable cliched lines, archaisms, and bad grammar ... who wouldn't? I prefer sponsors who judge poetry's contests seriously and I consider Charlotte one of them. Have a nice day.
    Sutherland Avatar Marti Sutherland Date: 3/14/2017 9:24:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I can take criticism, Ruben, but since I didn't enter the contest, my work was not being criticized. My complaint was not with Charlotte's judging, only in her manner of demeaning those poets who wrote for her. She said Constance's was one of the better ones, yet it didn't even rate a 6th place. I can tell how much it bothered BW. Commendations are always nice to read, but to be told that your work is not up to her standards? I see she's your friend, so defend her.
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/14/2017 8:14:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Hi, Marti, it's me again. I can't follow your ideas or ideals. On one comment you criticized Julia because "she can't take criticism" but, in other comment, you complained about Charlotte's judging and, obviously, it seems that you "can't take criticism ." Please, be consistent with your opinions.
    Puddifoot Avatar Charlotte Jade Puddifoot Date: 3/13/2017 3:55:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    constance, i recall the poem and it was actually one of the better entries, so a tough call on that poem; i definitely felt the sadness, in many ways it reminded me of myself when i was a little girl, but i couldn't place on sentiment alone
    Wings Avatar Broken Wings Date: 3/12/2017 10:01:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    but . . .just because you found my poem disappointing, I loved it because it came from my heart and soul, sorry you could not feel the sadness of that little girl that was me . . .

My Past Blog Posts

 
Open Poetry Contest Judged (harshly!)
Date Posted: 3/12/2017 3:14:00 PM
Tanka Contest Judged (and jinxed!)
Date Posted: 6/18/2016 3:44:00 PM
Free Verse Premiere Contest Judged
Date Posted: 5/2/2016 4:15:00 PM
Ian Guyler's Eviction From PS: Sad Day For Poetry
Date Posted: 1/22/2016 8:19:00 AM
'Another Bite At The Cherry' Contest Judged
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 3:12:00 PM
Creative Haibuns Judged
Date Posted: 11/26/2015 6:14:00 AM
Infinitians Judged
Date Posted: 10/16/2015 3:39:00 PM
Sensual ABCs Judged
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Controversial Contest Judged
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Tree Contest Judged
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Birth Month Acrostics Judged
Date Posted: 8/15/2015 3:15:00 PM
'All That You Are' Contest Judged
Date Posted: 8/6/2015 2:24:00 PM
Open Poetry Contest Judged
Date Posted: 7/19/2015 2:26:00 PM
Hi Poetry Soup Friends
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'Free For All' Contest Judged
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 5:36:00 PM
My Last Contest: 'Free For All'
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Seasonal Acrostics Contest Judged
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Creative Haiku Contest Judged
Date Posted: 9/27/2014 4:31:00 PM
Heart And Soul Confessionalism Contest Judged
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Brief (I promise!) Contest Update - Hints & Tips
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'Poems About Places' Judged and New Contest Posted
Date Posted: 8/29/2014 5:26:00 PM
Dark Poetry Contest Judged
Date Posted: 8/15/2014 5:01:00 AM
Vibrant Verse 2 Contest Judged
Date Posted: 8/7/2014 3:02:00 AM
Vibrant Verse Contest Judged & New Contest Posted
Date Posted: 8/1/2014 4:23:00 PM
Update On Vibrant Verse Contest
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11/4/2014 Thanksgiving Thinning Epulaeryufood,
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