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Blog Posted by Craig Cornish: 12/27/2023 11:56:00 AM

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Date: 1/3/2024 11:33:00 PM
To continue on what Paul was saying here below: Some poetry sites do not allow haiku, tanka, etc as these are deemed to be best left to speciality sites and publications. I personally like to read modern haiku on some Facebook sites (there are others) and will never turn to PS for examples. Maybe PS could discontinue certain Eastern influenced poetic forms - this will solve this particular problem of incorrect examples.
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Date: 1/4/2024 5:43:00 AM
Yes, but that's like giving up/dumbing down, even those sites will have posts (unless it's carefully monitored) that are poorly written or totally incorrect. We don't know unless we try and want to learn. Almost every form on this site and others has examples of poems that are terribly wrong. Blank verse - most are wrong - sonnets should be divided into more sonnet forms (still would be done incorrectly) - limericks (90% are done incorrectly) etc etc. The key is displaying examples that are correct so that writers can see how it's properly done.
Date: 12/30/2023 7:23:00 AM
I am glad you are following up on your initial blog, Craig. This is a good article which all haiku writing beginners would do well to read. I think that Soup Administration could be doing something about erasing/correcting the wrong haiku impression/interpretation on this site. I pity students who turn to haiku on Soup for enlightenment!
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Craig Cornish
Date: 12/30/2023 7:36:00 PM
Very true Paul - not only Haiku, but many others----their TPS worst error is simply posting terribly incorrect writes as examples - it reflects on all of us!
Date: 12/29/2023 9:56:00 AM
Thank you for this tutorial Craig. Haiku is one of my favorite forms. I'm still hit-or-miss with mine. This is helpful. :)
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Craig Cornish
Date: 12/29/2023 10:07:00 AM
Doing them correctly has always been hit or miss for me too Linda, but like anything, I suppose that much of the fun is in the journey.
Date: 12/28/2023 6:23:00 AM
And I thought a high coo was an alto dove.....
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Tom Woody
Date: 12/28/2023 6:31:00 PM
Gesundheit again
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Craig Cornish
Date: 12/28/2023 7:00:00 AM
It is Johnny, but a different specie!
Date: 12/28/2023 1:12:00 AM
This is so helpful! Brilliant thank you so much for sharing this craig. I enjoyed learning. Feel like doing a haiku. Hah. Have you heard of haiku sonnets? A form that i used to love doing .. the simile point really was helpful sometimes i tend to use similes without realizing it is one. Appreciate this blog post
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Paul Callus
Date: 12/30/2023 7:05:00 AM
I have read most of the available online haiku sonnets, including a contest on Soup. To say it's a disappointing exercise is an understatement! It ridicules both haiku and sonnet forms. Being able to write one good haiku on its own is already an achievement!
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Date: 12/28/2023 5:19:00 AM
Ah i did check out pauls work he is very talented and experienced, good to read poets like you and him. Also, if ever silent one sees me bringin up haiku sonnet he wont be too pleased haha. He used to hate it , so wanted to see your opinion too, now that i know and am learning so much about haiku i bet i might not want to do a haiku sonnet again too. Thank you for sharing this … it really is an eye opener. Whoever wrote this did an excellent job
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Craig Cornish
Date: 12/28/2023 4:41:00 AM
Again Inky, I must credit Paul for the reference and the author of the article, Mark Blasini. I also think it's interesting that so much of his advice on Haiku can be applied to other forms as well (won't go there right now but...) (we don't want to describe things, but leave them to a feeling and imagination). Yes, I've heard of Haiku sonnet, yet personally, I think dramatic sonnet variations should be called quatorzains because the complexities make my head hurt. It is so difficult to write one effective Haiku, so to write 4 plus 2 and include a volta as well!? Also, if considered each Haiku has a type of volta within it. Like trying to put a fire out with gasoline - but exciting I suppose!
Date: 12/28/2023 12:08:00 AM
Thanks for this, Craig. So, would this work? Also, is (gr) as in "green and grown" considered an onji? sun-touched lilies, so much green grown, voices from the pond
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Charles Messina
Date: 12/28/2023 6:16:00 AM
Perhaps, "growing in greenery" would be suffice. Thanks for your input..
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Craig Cornish
Date: 12/28/2023 4:15:00 AM
I think Charlie that the most helpful thing syllable-wise that Mr. Blasini alludes to (and I have no idea what the Japanese count would consider) , is the "one breath" rule and you certainly only have 13 English syllables there. The content is another issue. Perhaps Paul might respond to that but to me, "so much green grown is a little awkward?
Date: 12/27/2023 3:04:00 PM
Thank you so much for posting this. I found it to be very informative and quite easy to comprehend. I haven’t tried a Haiku yet (although curious) and this will be a great point of reference and support when I do attempt one. Blessings to you.
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Craig Cornish
Date: 12/28/2023 4:18:00 AM
Hi Christina, have fun with it and study it. I believe it to be thought of, by most, to be a simple form, when it's the most complex.

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