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Choice - a short essay to provoke debate

Blog Posted by Nigel Fawcett: 11/23/2008 9:26:00 AM

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Date: 12/5/2008 5:37:00 PM
we are not on some college campus some where, the smart people like the ones from the last administration in the united states think they always have the answers, or you love the sound of your own voice, every time smart people run the show we seem to crash as a society, and im not stupid but i try not to ever be too smart, thats boring and loved by old conservitives, when i think about it u look old [wink]
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Date: 11/26/2008 2:54:00 PM
Didnt see a write from you today..me either..to busy with the turkey thing. But my best wishes for a loving day tomorrow. BG
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Date: 11/25/2008 11:38:00 AM
You are quite the writer Niguel. Im learning off every sentence and i would just like to thank you for that as well as your comments on my poems. Im honoured as well, knowing now that you are such an inspirational writer. Crystal
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Date: 11/24/2008 5:27:00 PM
I'm not into deep thought. I kind of look at it like we make decisions based on faith, fear, experience, dreams, etc. If we stay in our comfort zone, we'll never know what we could have achieved. If we choose out of fear, we are pretty much designing a mundane and uninteresting life. The most successful people seem to be those who have also known great failure but have put it into perspective and went on from there. There will always be obstacles. How we percieve them will determine how far we will go. Sometimes the littlest things frustrate me. Then when I look back I wonder why. Attitude also determines much of how one handles crisis and challenge. I'm still amazed at what radical religious beliefs can do. The title "Holy War" is an oxymoron. People have taken human lives in the name of "Holy Wars." Basically, good, decent people choosing to kill. Thought provoking blog. Vince
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Date: 11/24/2008 2:27:00 PM
I am very interested in the comments that Patricia makes because they are akin to a scientific way of looking at good/evil and the whole universal purpose thing. In the book Shantaram, one of the characters takes the approach that the universe is in state of ever increasing complexity and that its final purpose is ultimate complexity (he even says this could be an explanation of God). Consequently, anything that we do to slow down or interrupt increasing complexity is scientifically a bad/evil thing and vice versa.
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Date: 11/24/2008 2:17:00 PM
Fred raises several arguments very eloquently and is clearly more of a philosopher than he admits. I have never actually thought of either fate or determinism as having their end points as simply heaven or hell. So, I think for the purpose of this discussion, I am more interested in the choices we make that affect us while we are living. Fate does allow for choice because it is an end position that does not care what happens along the way. Determinism does not allow for choice because it believes that whatever decision we make was the inevitable conclusion of the events that preceded it.
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Date: 11/24/2008 2:07:00 PM
The question that Sharon raises is a toughy. What I would argue here is that sometimes the A, B, or C labels get a bit mixed up. To explain: the picking up and going somewhere you always wanted, isn't choice C it's choice B and fits the Hobson's choice that I refer to in the blog. B seems too impossible or painful to take so, by default, one takes the status quo of A because it is more comfortable. C would be any one of the many things that could take you a step closer to B without fear/pain. In many/most cases it is not practical to get where you want in one step.
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Date: 11/24/2008 1:51:00 PM
As Christie says, fear is certainly one of the biggest factors in making choices. Everybody's natural state is to move towards pleasure and away from pain. No matter how hard we try to pretend that we make decisions with our heads, ultimately, all decisions are made emotionally. Consequently, it is difficult to choose B over A if B smells of fear/failure while A is not what we want but smells comfortable. Better the devil you know than the angel you don't. But we know by example that it is possible to be so driven by belief that it becomes stronger than doubt - Brian mentions Arthur Dove in his persistence blog, with other notable examples being Edison with his light bulb and Sanders with his KFC. They each stared failure in the face hundreds of times before finally succeeding but never lost their self belief.
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Date: 11/24/2008 1:10:00 PM
Wow...where was I when all this conversation began?...I'm getting in on the tail end, so whatever needed to be said, has been said. But this is one of the most interesting blogs, and discussions I've seen here. You stirred up a hornets nest of different angles of this question. But I do believe we have to take better control of our lives in most situations, and better control of our actions and our reactions. But, as Sharon said in the earlier blog...sometimes we have to take in so many other factors to made our decisions. Sensibility ...plain ole' common sense, really does matter!
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Date: 11/24/2008 10:53:00 AM
OH, NIGEL: YOU MADE MY HEAD HURT!
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Date: 11/24/2008 10:00:00 AM
Sorry, Nigel. No debate from me. I agree 110% and I can do anything I want as long as I'm willing to pay the price because there is always a price ... wether it is a positive or a negative and, as you say at the end, I can choose how to feel about that outcome. The only thing "wrong" with life is that it is too short ... LOL ...
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Date: 11/24/2008 9:19:00 AM
Wow! When I posted this blog, In thought it might just wither on the vine, but the response, and the thoughts/arguments expressed have been fantastic. So many great points have been raised. I will have to choose a few and then play Devil's advocate by throwing back some challenges and observations.
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Date: 11/24/2008 5:29:00 AM
For example Nigel, how do you literally pick up and go somewhere you've always wanted to go when it is very far away and do something you've always dreamed of doing when you have an elderly parent to take of and there is no one else to cover you? Is this really an option for anyone with a heart and soul or conscience? This is a debate that could last hours you know. Especially with Wilfredo around ~lol~ who makes some great points along with Christie. Love, Shar
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Date: 11/24/2008 12:36:00 AM
Thanks for your response, Shar. I am glad you threw up some challenges, because I was hoping to stimulate as many arguments against as for. I actually agree with you, but would add a couple of points. Choosing A or B is as valid as choosing C. Many barriers are based on beliefs or values that no longer serve us but which we unquestioningly cling on to. Love, Nigel
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Date: 11/23/2008 4:09:00 PM
Well Nigel, after reading your blog, it seems you have truly taken your philosophy to heart, which is indeed admirable. A part of me wants to say, yes, you are so very right, and another part of me says easier said than done. The last line I most definitely agree with. But as far as option C goes, it really all depends on, for example, responsibilities. Obstacles do exist, and not because we want them to. I understand the step out of your comfort zone and go for your dreams concept, and yes, we should always try. Great conversation. Great blog. Love, Shar
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