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IS PROSE POETRY just a short story? - Brian Strand's Blog

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ENGLISH OPEN  FORM https://www.poetrysoup.com/poem/open_a_1727822 POET https://www.poetrysoup.com/poem/poetry_is_a_recited_art_1716883

https://www.poetrysoup.com/poem/an_emperical_poetry_view_1691678

+ Creator of the footle & hiku (definition -as below) 

*FOOTLE (singular)* is,a two line lines,2 syllable verse with an integral title-Light Poetic verse form,witty,pertinent,topical etc (technically a trochaic monometer and not necessarily in rhyme).

+'hiku' explained -I use hiku for the English language free verse thereof to distinguish from translations of the cultural Japanese haiku.

HAIKU is a centuries old Japanese traditional phonetical & cultural poetic form whereas HIKU is a relatively recently reference to the 75year old established ' haiku in English.'

Hiku being an imagist tristich like its elder cousin,without a title,and with a similar economy of words ,inherently enigmatic & with a caesura or an ellipsis and surprise ending. A similar sense of pause the aesthetic insight flowing from perception gained from 'one breath length ' composition that flowed from the Japanesese 17 onji sound inherent in the Japaneses haiku.

Without of the ' invented' syllabic( 5-7-5 ) line restrictions of the ' haiku in english '  the hiku is the 'free verse' version of the 'invented''5/7/5 haiku in English. ..similar but different ,a present tense poetic in another language - hiku is the written or recited equivalent to arts 'gestural spontaneous happening' . A verse freed from strict syllabic constraint within its triplicity of format& is inherently enigmatic & often with a caesura and surprise ending( VERSUM )to give a 'turning' to the line.

The hiku maybe a horizontal single* line,(often broken line at the caesura),a vertical line(usually a painting(haiga) ,a couplet** or a tristich* with shape-like variations.

Plus * OPEN(organic) FORM VERSE using spaces&breaks without grammatical symbols ,the ' open' relies upon 'the one breath limitation' & so inherently requires the 'reader' (reciter) to input and responds thus making this enigmatic form a two way interplay & interpretatIon unique to the moment& changing according to mood is inherently variable.

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MY POETIC BIO

Alliteration,the starting place,

alongside cinquains,

apace in time,crystalline

lanterne and rhyme.

Inspiration drew forth footle

,broken monoku &emagi

for a while short imagist

was my style.

Sequenced longer poems

metamorphose within

this crysallis

changing into ekphrasis.

Open,and free to be,

as you see,

structured prose poetry.

With cadence and pause,

others hear my voice

Open VERSE now this poet’s choice.

4 POETIC TENETS  - https://creativepoetics.blogspot.com/

+Gestural abstraction- my art style

https://www.poetrysoup.com/poem/just_saying_my_art_an_emperical_view_1686489

 

more gestural art of mine here https://gesturalart.blogspot.com/

https://mychristianverse.blogspot.com/

 

 

IS PROSE POETRY just a short story?

Blog Posted:9/16/2020 1:08:00 AM


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Beto
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Date: 10/3/2020 10:06:00 AM
Brian, I quite agree with your assessment of Lowell's "Bath". It reminds me of Gertrude Stein's "Tommy Buttons" (1914) written as PP, but when read aloud, it can easily be understood as FV. GS's "Stanzas in Meditation" (1932?) written as FV can just as easily be understood as PP. My point is that both forms, except for lineation, can be understood as either form when read aloud. Both ways use various poetic devices and depend upon natural speech for their aural form. It seems to me that PP and FV are flip sides of the same coin, separated only by lineation. ~beto
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Beto Riginale
Date: 10/3/2020 11:20:00 AM
Brian, I agree that much FV is not poetic, simply narrative prose, what I refer to as a lineated diary :-). ~beto
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Brian Strand
Date: 10/3/2020 10:12:00 AM
I guess Beto ,it matters not provided they are read or listened to.In the FV case it too often used when it not poetic in principle.
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Brian
Strand
Date: 9/17/2020 12:56:00 AM
RE UPDATE EXAMPLE from Amy:BATH When read aloud,I would class as 'Verse Libre** and would be a definite PP in any of my sponsor contests! .....**more on this form in a forth coming blog
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Richard D
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Date: 9/16/2020 4:29:00 PM
Sometimes when reading a novel I can read a passage that stands out from the rest, a section that almost seems poetic, but to me that’s not poetry. Even if a short story is written with above the average eloquence, it still remains prose however beautifully it’s written.
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Brian Strand
Date: 9/16/2020 9:52:00 PM
Agreed Richard
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Andrea
Dietrich
Date: 9/16/2020 3:39:00 PM
Prose seems to be a fancy way of just saying narrative form, but also I hear there are two types of prose: regular and poetic. When you submit to Soup, both come up. I would see a narrative or an essay as regular prose and prose poetry as using more poetic devices with the way you do your lines, and also more lyrical or metrical perhaps? I often feel like we poets here are often using prose or narrative and labeling it as free verse and vice versa , labeling an authentic free verse poem as prose. (that does not seem to happen nearly as often)
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Beto Riginale
Date: 10/3/2020 11:16:00 AM
Andrea, I don't understand why you (seem to) equate prose with narrative, since much poetry is also narrative. I agree that PP uses many poetic devices. If we view PP as non-lineated FV then it would be poetry IMO. ~beto
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Brian Strand
Date: 9/16/2020 9:52:00 PM
Yes indeed so Andrea,if entries to my sponsored contest are anything to go by.
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Sean
Kelly
Date: 9/16/2020 11:28:00 AM
Bian with his 'devilish' difficult conundrums ! - You will remember an ad on ITV , many years ago - "Is it a biscuit or is it a bar ?" Solve that and you've got your answer ! Those who find it easy to rhyme, know the answer ! Even my Irish brogue dare not attempt a coherent reply !!
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Brian Strand
Date: 9/16/2020 12:04:00 PM
Poetry ,Sean like most arts blurs at the edges.One or two more 'testing ' questions still to come ! Watch this space,...save your place
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John
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Date: 9/16/2020 5:15:00 AM
with a lilting brogue the Irish can make anything sound like poetry....however a brogue is quite difficult to squeeze through a pen
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Brian Strand
Date: 9/16/2020 5:23:00 AM
Indeed John
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Gary
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Date: 9/16/2020 3:11:00 AM
I tried answering your question Brian but ended up tripping up over my own answer. :) I thought about the importance and reliance on the poetic qualities of structure, cadence, use of metaphors, structure of sentence and use of words but I have to hold my hands up and say I'm struggling with my articulation of it all. I will keep thinking. :) PS: tried the links but they don't link anywhere for me.
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Brian Strand
Date: 9/16/2020 4:03:00 AM
You have identified the conflict and contradiction Gary...can prose ever be poetry ?
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Brian Strand
Date: 9/16/2020 3:58:00 AM
Thanks Gary ,have changed the link to another example.

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