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AI Poetry - A Solution

Blog Posted by Tom Woody: 7/21/2025 5:00:00 PM

AI poetry and related art is not going away anytime soon. In fact, it is growing and will continue to grow and proliferate. Below I offer a reasonable compromise for the problem as it relates specifically to this site.

Admins should create a separate category for AI poetry and related art. This would include AI generated images, videos and music. Anyone wanting to create AI poetry and/or related art would be free to post here.

No AI poetry or related art would be permitted as a standard post. This would mean that anything entered as a standard post could not contain anything AI created.

Admins would modify their rules to reflect the above. In addition, the rules would include wording such as this: Anyone posting AI poetry or related art as a standard post will be issued a warning. If a second infraction occurs after the warning, account will be deleted.

How to determine AI. If a poet suspects that a standard post contains AI poetry, said poet will run the poem through three trusted AI checkers. If all three checkers determine the poem is more than fifty percent AI, said poet will then report the poem to admins. Admins will attempt to confirm the poem is AI using their own trusted AI checker and if so take appropriate action as outlined above.

Why this makes sense. Again, AI is not going away, no matter how much some may wish it. This compromise makes allowance for those who wish to utilize AI to create art. At the same time, it sets terms for using such responsibly as well as mandatory repercussions for using it improperly.

Wishing all well,

Tommy

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Mickey
Grubb

Date: 7/29/2025 6:48:00 AM

I just ran one of my recent posts through three AI checkers and got these results: Sidekicker: 73% AI; Justdone: 65% AI; Grammarly: 0% AI. Two of the these results are WRONG...guess which ones. Rudyard Kipling said, "You stand and fall by your own work, remember, and it's waste of time to think of any one else in this battle." But, I do support Tom's idea/proposal.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/29/2025 7:13:00 AM

Thanks Mickey. As I stated to TPS below, there's no perfect solution but maybe my compromise attempts to make room for both sides

Team
Poetrysoup

Date: 7/28/2025 2:21:00 PM

We are considering incorporating AI detection on the poem submission page. However, we've hit a technology and programming wall. We are researching a solution.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/28/2025 4:03:00 PM

There is no perfect solution

Team Poetrysoup
Date: 7/28/2025 3:52:00 PM

The problem with your solution is that you assume the poet will be honest in identifying their poem as AI-generated. Even so, we could ask the poets at submission time if AI was used to assist in writing the poem.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/28/2025 3:28:00 PM

Since you yourselves have admitted (as well as most of us) that AI checkers are unreliable at the moment, this seems a weak approach. On the other hand, by ALLOWING AI poetry and related art you can easily separate it from the mainstream by creating a new category. Then, use your AI detection along with poets' reports to sanction pretenders who post in the mainstream. AI is not going away. Accepting it and making allowance for it I think is the wisest choice. Thanks again

Team Poetrysoup
Date: 7/28/2025 3:20:00 PM

We are not policing AI at the moment. It's a losing battle that would require more resources than we have. For contests, we leave it up to the contest sponsor to determine how AI poems are handled. If we can implement AI detection on the poem submission page, poems written by AI will be flagged accordingly.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/28/2025 2:55:00 PM

Since you wrote and published an AI poetry book and have an AI love poem generator on site, why not just be consistent and make allowance for it and separate it from the mainstream? Thanks for responding

Justine
Fraser

Date: 7/26/2025 8:46:00 PM

Ern Mallee lived well before AI. (I think)

Tom Woody
Date: 7/27/2025 5:05:00 AM

Never heard of him so I looked it up. Quite a bit of fakery. Some folks have too much time on their hands and too little integrity it seems

Brandy
Nicole

Date: 7/25/2025 5:33:00 PM

Methinks the constant dwelling on AI is keeping others from truly enjoying poetry.

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/26/2025 7:15:00 AM

Been there and done that before on another poetry site. I certainly would change a lot of things here. :) So sweet that you'd vote for me.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/26/2025 5:05:00 AM

Hey if you ever run for admin you got my vote :)

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/25/2025 7:28:00 PM

In truth, it's not something that's bothering me. Like you, just trying to help.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/25/2025 7:10:00 PM

I truthfully don't worry much about it until someone calls it to my attention on a particular poet or poem. I wrote this blog because I can see it proliferating to the point of saturation

Sara
Etgen-Baker

Date: 7/24/2025 4:30:00 AM

definitely a proactive plan worth consideration.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/24/2025 5:23:00 AM

Appreciate your contribution Sara.

CayCay
Jennings

Date: 7/23/2025 9:59:00 PM

I couldn't stop fentanyl from coming but I didn't let it in my house. I never wanted nuclear weapons but come they did. I couldn't even stop confusion over how to wear pants for peps who couldn't run without holding their pants up, no, not up, just holding. This is a site for human creativity, period. I say a no tolerance policy is the only answer to keep Soup real, not tainted. I 100% wish we'd employ this part of your proactive plan: TOMS WORDS IN QUOTES "Anyone posting AI poetry or related art as a standard post will be issued a warning. If a second infraction occurs after the warning, account will be deleted." Wrong is as ignorant as ignorance is wrong and I only want to support authenticity.

Andrea Dietrich
Date: 7/24/2025 4:13:00 PM

You are funny , Caycay. I feel same as you

Tom Woody
Date: 7/24/2025 5:22:00 AM

Thx for contributing Cay

Gary Radice
Date: 7/23/2025 11:49:00 PM

Cay Cay - agree as to the warnings idea but I can't see it happening right now. I'd love it to. Anaya just be aware that Voicemaker retains exclusive intellectual property rights to the AI voice models and any derived works created from the voice artists' datasets. I don't fully understand yet what that means as to who owns the copyright to a poet's words. Cheers - Gary

CayCay Jennings
Date: 7/23/2025 11:42:00 PM

The words in quotes are Tom's. I've never given AI art a single thought, I am AI depressed enough as it is. I think I might go live in the woods. I wonder if Thoreau's cabin is available.

I Am Anaya
Date: 7/23/2025 10:49:00 PM

Hey Cay, Cay, what is ai art? Some use it for videos I enjoy and i love voicemaker.~

Richard D
Seal

Date: 7/23/2025 12:58:00 PM

Hi Tommy, Much as I appreciate the good intent in this blog, for me, Just can't the suggestion being taken up. Maybe it's time to put it to the test. Have you put this solution to admin and have you had a response? Just asking.

Richard D Seal
Date: 7/23/2025 3:24:00 PM

It’s not about you Tommy, it’s about your idea for a solution.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 2:30:00 PM

I'm not exactly one of their favorites ;)

Richard D Seal
Date: 7/23/2025 2:13:00 PM

They will not respond to this from the blog, they never do. You need to put it direct to them for consideration.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 1:22:00 PM

Hoping they'll see it here

Jeff
Kyser

Date: 7/23/2025 8:27:00 AM

"Write me a sonnet that escapes AI detection from the following AI checkers..." - lol, you're not going to win this one...

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 8:34:00 AM

No one trying to win here. Just a few suggestions to consider

Charlotte
Puddifoot

Date: 7/23/2025 3:42:00 AM

it's not a bad idea, but do you think people using ai are going to be honest about it? ai is for those who can't write but want others to think they can

Justine Fraser
Date: 7/26/2025 8:40:00 PM

I used AI to put music to a poem in a contest and it was so amazing I did it with another. I admit that openly - it made for some nice songs. Even so, I support the idea that the site should be AI free, with another section of AI material where people can post. Especially when moving into an AI saturated world.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 4:53:00 AM

Some won't. But this recommendation allows for removal of those who refuse to follow the rules whereas currently nothing is done

Keith D
Trestrail

Date: 7/23/2025 2:00:00 AM

I know it’s off topic but surely there’s a better way of selecting POTD than some random clueless algorithm. If Byron, Keats or Shelley were to reanimate from their graves today I wonder what they’d think of our Soup poems selected as praiseworthy for honorary POTD? I think I can guess.

Keith D Trestrail
Date: 7/23/2025 8:26:00 PM

Spock isn’t the first dude lifeform to have his head spun by some Barbarella. Their feminine wiles are like phasers… set to stun.

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/23/2025 7:51:00 PM

Yep ! Watch out for those space nymphs. Should I watch something with comedy or romance ? I'm undecided.

Keith D Trestrail
Date: 7/23/2025 6:12:00 PM

So he hasn’t resolved his conflict between logic and emotion? Space nymphs will do that to ya!

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 5:56:00 PM

Sigh. What they've done to Spock is egregious. He's a lothario. I'm ashamed to be his son

Keith D Trestrail
Date: 7/23/2025 5:54:00 PM

Are you in it?

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 5:12:00 PM

Sigh. Yeah. Watched anything good on the telly lately? We just finished the Kdrama Melancholia and I'm catching up with the new season of Star Trek Strange New Worlds

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/23/2025 5:09:00 PM

Boo-hoo. I'm getting tired of talking about AI.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 3:10:00 PM

Oh poo let's talk about AI

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/23/2025 9:42:00 AM

Writing poetry that's funny to make others laugh is a good thing. On this subject. Hmm, I'm not 5.

Maria Williams
Date: 7/23/2025 6:28:00 AM

Funny you should mention them Keith! I swear The Bards are stirring. Im going to post a poem soon, where they figure rather prominently. Hope you read it .

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 4:54:00 AM

I'm with ya on that one. Some of what gets POTD is downright embarassing

Charlotte Puddifoot
Date: 7/23/2025 3:41:00 AM

i don't think they are just randomly selected, cos i've noticed whenever i've had potd the poem has received at least one 'fave' soon after posting

Gary
Radice

Date: 7/22/2025 9:55:00 PM

Perhaps we should place the burden for the checking of AI onto the poet themselves when they enter a contest?. Just a couple of lines at the end of each poem entered stating what AI checker was used (as determined by sponsor / PS) and the resultant % it throws up. Not only will it shift all the work away from the sponsor but it just might deter / prick the conscience of those tempted to cheat as it's out there for all to see. Cheers - Gary

Gary Radice
Date: 7/23/2025 9:16:00 AM

If discovered Tom, they've in effect lied twice. Once when using AI claiming it to be their own work and once when they misrepresented in their own words the % of AI. I think it will be easier to point out the latter 'error' of the two without necessarily insinuating anything but making them think twice about misrepresenting their work again. Maria I think your idea of a screen shot is a sound one. Cheers - Gary

Maria Williams
Date: 7/23/2025 6:30:00 AM

I totally agree with that. A screen shot would be good

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 6:09:00 AM

Even so, at present there appears to be no enforcement in place, so if discovered as fraud, then what? Actually, a fellow poet and I recently checked several poems of a rising poet and found them to be 100% AI. Okay, now what? Reports to admins seem to go nowhere at present

Gary Radice
Date: 7/23/2025 5:57:00 AM

I hear what you're saying Tom but surely a poet deliberately posting a WRONG AI % at the end of their (contest) poem risks exposing their dishonesty to anyone who wishes to check it. Cheers - Gary

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 4:59:00 AM

As Eileen states below seems unlikely cheaters will grow a conscience. Thanks for participating Gary

Eileen
Manassian

Date: 7/22/2025 9:19:00 PM

If we have people even now who don't want to admit using AI, how do you think they will submit poems to this extra feature? I don't think it's likely they will. AI generated "poetry" should NOT be admissible for contests. Contest sponsors are aware of the amount of time it takes to check for AI, as well they should. Those of us who spend copious amounts of time trying to find the exact right word, image, literary device, emotion to come up with our creations would be offended if we knew an AI generated poem won. Though I rarely enter contests, this is how I would feel if such were to happen.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 4:58:00 AM

AI is here to stay and no amount of wishing will make it go away. That's just the reality Eileen. This gives those who want to use it an outlet and provides for deletion for those who abuse it. Btw, re use of AI in creating music, ask any musician trying to earn a living how they feel about it. It's the same Eileen. Fake is fake is fake. Actors and other artists are also unhappy about AI encroaching upon their professions

Eileen Manassian
Date: 7/22/2025 9:27:00 PM

I just recently found out that one would could use AI to create music. I know... I'm behind the times. I knew about poems and videos but musical score, somehow that went right by me. These are add ons to the CONTENT or lyrics which is what contains the heart and soul of a literary piece. We can compliment someone on videos, music, images generated by AI because they've taken the time to choose what best conveys their thoughts and words which are... in my opinion, almost sacred. What's the point of reading something if you know the writer isn't a human being with life experiences, joys and sorrows to share. Having said that, I do think admin have a responsibility to take action when sponsors alert them of repeat offenders. There's no way to police every poem. We can read and comment as we like to poems posted whether AI or not, but contests should be another matter.

Brandy
Nicole

Date: 7/22/2025 12:23:00 PM

If someone can explain how to remove AI completely from being posted here, please do. AI checkers are out there, but none are 100% accurate. Talking about it and just sitting here, does nothing to solve the issue. Your idea makes sense, Tommy. Thank you for at least offering a solution. My best to everyone. ~ Brandy

CayCay Jennings
Date: 7/23/2025 10:05:00 PM

This Georgia girl would not make room for them; I would load a shotgun for them. (That sounds good, shooting their AI butts, but truth is I've no experience.)

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 1:30:00 PM

Nice analogy country gal

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/22/2025 1:02:00 PM

:) Yes, it is. If so many where placing AI poems in EVERY room of my house, and I knew they wouldn't stop or there was no way to end it. I would need to create a section in my house for them, that way, I wouldn't have to look at it, if I didn't want to. Me and my simple southern thinking. :)

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 12:39:00 PM

It's a start anyway. :)

Craig
Cornish

Date: 7/22/2025 11:42:00 AM

The bottom line is that computers are better than most humans at most things (including poetry). It's so very easy for a computer to be average...but it can't think outside of an emotional box like we can--so be original--emotion is totally separate from mathematics - they are dynamic, unless you allow them to be static--a computer can only use a variation of something already written - SO- write something that hasn't been!

CayCay Jennings
Date: 7/23/2025 10:15:00 PM

In my opinion, AI doesn't write better. It's like a Spock write vs a Kirk write; the former would be technically brilliant but lack the human feel. Robot parents wouldn't be better than human ones, just more technically efficient. Who would better parent, steel or human emotional warmth? To me, it's that simple.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 5:02:00 AM

This blog is about trying to address a growing problem in a logical, practical manner as opposed to doing nothing. Thanks for contributing Craig

Craig Cornish
Date: 7/22/2025 7:26:00 PM

What then, is the proverbial bottom line? I contend (reluctantly) that there is none - buggy whips be damned---except to be better than computers!!--like I eluded in my comment -- I am not intimidated by AI writing -- give me simply love and I will make it cry----we must all feel that way!! Or go crawl in some corner and give the F up---I never will!

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 12:38:00 PM

I understand where you're coming from Craig, but being a good poet won't make the problem go away. I've always said that personally I don't care what others do and I just need to protect my own integrity. But there is a point of saturation and I think we're getting close. Then what will PS become?

I Am
Anaya

Date: 7/22/2025 11:28:00 AM

AI is everywhere and we must use our ai radar as best we can not to be hurtful when calling out these incongruities or embarrassing for the supportive poet (not knowing it's ai) commenting on ai potd's, with that being said, it could be helpful for us if administration puts your purposed solution to use, Tommy. It's an excellent idea!

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 12:36:00 PM

Yes, we should be reasonably certain before reporting. Thx Anaya

Maria
Williams

Date: 7/22/2025 7:09:00 AM

Victor Hugo once said, “No force on earth can stop an idea whose time has come.” And indeed, the rise of AI is one of those unstoppable forces. Yet, while it may assist, mimic, and even inspire, there are realms it cannot truly enter—like the raw vulnerability of poetry, the soul of a song, or the emotion that bleeds through a painter’s brush. These arts are born from lived experience, from aching hearts and dreaming minds. Still, there’s joy to be found in what AI can offer—a spark, a tool, a playful collaborator. The key is to use it without losing ourselves in it. To remember that the soul of true art still resides in human hands—and always will.

Craig Cornish
Date: 7/22/2025 11:26:00 AM

With you Maria!

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 9:27:00 AM

Inaction is deffo lose/lose

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/22/2025 9:17:00 AM

So true, Tommy. There's no way to get away from it. It's here. It feels like a lose/lose situation.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 9:08:00 AM

That's exactly why I recommend splitting it off from the mainstream. Thx for input

Francis J Grasso
Date: 7/22/2025 8:08:00 AM

Well said, Maria! You have my vote...

Maria Williams
Date: 7/22/2025 7:14:00 AM

So Tommy, not for me, that takes away the very essence of what poetry is. Where’s the joy in reading something that lacks the lived emotion behind the words? I’m all for using AI as a creative tool—to enhance my own work through lyrics, songs, and visuals—but not to replace the heart that drives true poetry. There's a world of difference between assistance and authorship.

Brandy
Nicole

Date: 7/22/2025 6:36:00 AM

While looking on my phone, AI is everywhere and there's no escaping it. I can choose to hide the post or select I'm not interested. I do think that if the admin can create a new forum, then a section for AI is not an unreasonable thought. So thankful for all the help here in trying to figure this out. ~ Brandy

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/23/2025 9:35:00 AM

Awe, thank you Keith and Tommy ! Now I'm blushing. :)

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 5:34:00 AM

A modern day Jeannie...

Keith D Trestrail
Date: 7/23/2025 5:14:00 AM

I do, it’s called the Brandy Effect. She’s like an MRI, and we are drawn into her magnetic field. It’s no glitch, Richard, her magnetism and charms are electrically charged. No mortal can resist!

Richard D Seal
Date: 7/22/2025 11:34:00 AM

No idea why my replies are coming up here Brandy, so sorry

Richard D Seal
Date: 7/22/2025 11:33:00 AM

I’m not here to argue Tommy and I take hum-bridge at that suggestion, we’re having a conversation, an exchange of views, nothing more. People already report the cheats and PS just brushes them off and these are respected poets.

Richard D Seal
Date: 7/22/2025 7:26:00 AM

This is not a reply to you Brandy, it jumped from below convo

Richard D Seal
Date: 7/22/2025 7:25:00 AM

They just spent a bunch of time updating the forum, don't you mean a long time, as in their own words, the long awaited forum is now up and running. Now you're asking them to construct a whole new section. Do you think they are going to be happy fighting out amongst themselves in some pigeon hole corner of the site? I don't know what drives these people but it's not hiding in the shadows, at least with what they present.

Richard D
Seal

Date: 7/22/2025 2:14:00 AM

AI is here and it's here to stay. PS don't have the time to spend checking AI or getting into conversations with suspect poets. People are never going to be honest about using AI. It's time we accepted the situation and just view AI users as competitors as we would any other poet. Hopefully this might encourage others to up the standard of poetry across the site.

Speaks Volumes
Date: 7/22/2025 11:29:00 PM

I have to agree with Richard. Artificial Intelligence is here to stay. It seems to me that the only advantage to using it with regard to art and literature is to win competions or make money having it published. It takes the fun and pride from creating something of your own. Solutions : No more competitions and stricter laws on publishing art and literature that wasnt your own idea. PROBLEM SOLVED. Have fun all.. and dont forget to keep smiling !! :)

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 10:02:00 AM

Richard I didn't write this blog to argue. Just throwing out some ideas that may put a dent into a growing problem. Responding to your comment under Brandy

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 4:41:00 AM

How do you know how much time admins have to spend on anything? They just spent a bunch of time updating a forum that few have ever used or will likely ever use. This recommendation I think is at least a step in the right direction. To do nothing means AI will take over and make this site useless and undesirable

Keith D
Trestrail

Date: 7/22/2025 12:54:00 AM

The genie is not only out of the bottle but it will soon be our master!

Keith D Trestrail
Date: 7/23/2025 5:19:00 AM

Yeah, I wouldn’t need three wishes with her! IYKWIM.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/23/2025 5:03:00 AM

Jeannie could be my master any time.

Keith D Trestrail
Date: 7/22/2025 7:22:00 PM

It’s true. I saw it once on I Dream of Jeannie.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 4:39:00 AM

Not mine fosho

Jacqueline
Elston

Date: 7/21/2025 10:58:00 PM

l like these idea Tom, but l dont think PS admin will get on board :( l think its because as you mention AI is now so deep in to the creative Arts that there is no way of stopping it/keeping it in check etc. Im not sure that AI checkers are any good in accurate detection... as its my understanding there are some law suits even in the music industry ( ie lyric writing etc )that have same problems, so iv a feeling that's why PS is not getting involved :( the music industry are trying to make it law that an Artist has to declare its AI produced, at moment any Artist dont have to declare it. Some are honest and declare it, but like poetry there are those that are not honest, sadly.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 4:37:00 AM

This would give those who want to use it an outlet, while sanctioning those who wish to use it dishonestly. There's no perfect solution but maybe it's at least a step in the right direction. Doing nothing is driving folks away from here

John
Anderson

Date: 7/21/2025 9:19:00 PM

I disagree => why publish AI poetry here which is garbage and can be created by anyone with the push of a button => Using tools to create images, text to voice and songs embellishes a poem, adding to the readers enjoyment of it. We don't ask that all images be personally photographed by the author. The poem is the heart of the post. => So ban AI poems, but allow tool-created 'art' on original poems.

I Am Anaya
Date: 7/22/2025 11:35:00 AM

I've seen your wonderful poetry John, offerings of voice and ai images! Altho my contributions are my own words, I too use images from the internet and I use the MS features (tools, controls) for collages and voicemaker. It's all a learning experience and fun!

Tom Woody
Date: 7/22/2025 4:35:00 AM

If AI poetry is garbage why do AI poems keep winning contests? Regardless of one's personal feelings I think we can accommodate those who wish to use it just as we are accommodating those like yourself who wish to use it to create music

Rob
Carmack

Date: 7/21/2025 6:49:00 PM

Not sure Admin has the time to give to this problem. I do believe that AI will eventually become undetectable and will take over everything as it continues to evolve exponentially. But I do think you have good ideas, and we should implement them in the time we have left.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/21/2025 7:34:00 PM

Let them use some of the money they make from Soupers who buy their anthologies to finance the project. Whatever it takes

Brandy Nicole
Date: 7/21/2025 7:01:00 PM

I agree with you, Rob. AI is everywhere and becoming undetectable. True that admin may not be able to do much, but it's nice to have some ideas out there and Tommy's are appreciated.

Brandy
Nicole

Date: 7/21/2025 5:40:00 PM

Tommy, I appreciate you and your thoughts. I can see this being a good way to separate AI poems, from the ones that so many of us create and post from the heart. You're truly trying to help, and that means so much. :)

Arlo Parker
Date: 7/21/2025 6:39:00 PM

Y’all should be writing on the new Forum page. Blogosphere has lost much of its interest influence. $.02. And if AI ?? takes over Soup it’s because Management let happen.

Tom Woody
Date: 7/21/2025 5:48:00 PM

I didn't want this to be just another whiny AI blog. Something more constructive. Thx B

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