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HAVE YOU PROGRESSED AS A POET?

Blog Posted:5/13/2017 8:36:00 AM

This blog occurred to me after a comment Cyndi made on my last blog(sorry Cyndi but you are an inspiring lady!)

If you check back through your  anthology ,do you think you have improved as a poet?

I suppose it would depend upon your starting point.I came to soup already Into many short forms,but went onto acquire an interest into others and after a few years to longer forms and indeed the 'mechanics of poetry itslf'.( this is why I have so appreciated the workshop aspect of this inspiring site).

I suppose my question is very subjective anyway,how good are we at evaluating our selves in artistic matters?

Do we in fact 'improve' or is it that we have differing phases or periods as did Picasso and perhaps  our development is not linear?

In my studies of poets throughout the ages often a poet's early work appeals rather more than when they later  found fame.Often their poetry finds their ultimate niche without them being truly aware of it.

( one of favourite poets Adelaide Crapsey who sadly died too  young,used the cinquain form to create what has become known as the 'American Cinquain.This form IMHO is  far superior in quality than much of the remainder of her endeavours and is what she is remembered in Imagism)

I know some poets and artists destroy ( or remove from sites like ours) much of their earlier work.But is this not like detroying part of one self ?.Perhaps leave them for 'posterity ' warts an' all so to speak.

What do you think about these  issues ?

 

 



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Date: 5/14/2017 3:41:00 AM
A good exercise to self test your progress as a poet is to pretend a publisher asked you make a selection for a 'Selected Poems of '.
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/15/2017 1:33:00 AM
They do say Cyndi some folk are their harshest critics!
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/14/2017 5:25:00 PM
I couldn't!!! I mean it. I could not. The poetry manuscript that I have in mind will consist of new poems. The grant I'd like to try for next spring even stipulates that the book is not of old poetry, but even if it wasn't a stipulation, I could think of maybe three I'd want out of a hundred.
Date: 5/14/2017 3:29:00 AM
Perhaps the most encouraging sign of progress as a poet is when you have occasion to read something you wrote some years earlier and it seems so well crafted you exclaim inwardly, wow did I write that.!
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Phil Capitano
Date: 5/23/2017 10:01:00 AM
Since coming to this site just over one year ago I have come face-to-face with this issue. I only posted new poems but as I got comfortable (with the support of soupers) I began posting poems written 20-30-40 years ago to wonderful responses and asked myself that question, did I write that? Still I feel I have progressed in style and content.
Date: 5/13/2017 9:20:00 PM
Like Agnes, I have older work which I keep to myself, save in files, but since posting on this site is a form of self-publication, I do not want to share with others that which I find doesn't hit the mark. My first poem was "Lov is good. Lov is majik. Babys are made with lov. I lov lov. " Ummm. I am not about to post that on my poem's page, but the fact my father carried that around in his pocket for over 30 years (found it in his wallet, after he passed away) is precious to me. I am evaluated by editors, now, not myself, who provide feedback. And there are things we learn over time as poets. Forced rhyme, filler words, too many adverbs, no imagery. Warts. Who needs them?
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/15/2017 1:31:00 AM
Well Cyndi IMHO poetry is structured prose.By perhaps that's a discussion for another blog!
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/14/2017 5:22:00 PM
Now, I have kept quite a bit on Soup which does show a progression. One poem has been quite popular, even used by a student, but I no longer see it as poetry. I see it as prose. But I still like its "core" so I left it up.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/14/2017 5:19:00 PM
True enough that what an editor likes or doesn't is subjective, but one editor recently pointed out that my poetry does 'mostly' a fine job of being emotive without becoming saccharine. Then he pointed out one line that had, in fact, crossed that line. Changing a few lines really did improve the poem. His advice was bang-on.
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/14/2017 3:36:00 AM
Before my PS days one editor of a mag had a very strict bias to poetry that was completely grammatical,and that was the hurdle one had to jump to be published therein.It was a useful learning curve but just a stopping place in my progress as a poet
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/14/2017 3:00:00 AM
Posterity ,perhaps Cindi ! (by the by editors in artistic matters can be as subjective as anyone!).
Date: 5/13/2017 8:38:00 PM
Yes, definitely. I can clearly see that when I read my early attempts, but I also see that I learned a lot in the short time since I began working on my poetry in a systematic manner. Up until a year ago, I only wrote "by feel", and just recently I have started to learn *about* poetry, about devices, about what makes poetry good. And simply from putting in time on task, I am improving - like a pianist improves by doing finger exercises.
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/14/2017 3:02:00 AM
Indeed Agnes but be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Agnes Krampe
Date: 5/13/2017 8:40:00 PM
I would never destroy older work, because it is a picture of how I was, thought, expressed myself. I would not *share* very early work with which I am not happy, and there are definitely poems that make me feel a bit embarrassed - but they were what I was capable of expressing as a teen, and they were important to me back when I wrote them, so they deserve to exist.
Date: 5/13/2017 7:37:00 PM
Brian, I am most interested in what you said at the end of this blog. To destroy one's work, even if it is earlier. OH MY, I could not do something like that. Then again, I collect things and I save things, so that is ME. Even if some of my earlier work is not my best, it shows my roots and where I started. It's like destroying a history book or a realationship with a dear old friend! I think some of my older stuff, once I became practiced, stands up to my newer work. Cinder Girl was from around 2008 and I have had none of my newer work garner such popularity as that one, though I have to thank Soup for taking notice of it in the first place.
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Kathleen Kroll
Date: 5/15/2017 5:00:00 PM
Hi Andrea, I so agree with you that earlier works deserve to remain as a symbol of who you were as a person and as an artist. I'm finding areas of confusion and holes that need expanding in earlier poems. I think I prefer to number later versions or expand aroun a different theme. I think there's always the danger of losing the early intention or emotion or feel of the earlier work.
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Andrea Dietrich
Date: 5/14/2017 4:40:00 PM
Thanks, guys.
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/14/2017 3:07:00 AM
I'm with you on this Andrea
Date: 5/13/2017 10:35:00 AM
JUST ENOUGH TO KNOW I HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO AND SHALL NEVER GET THERE. For the greatest poets ever known, never truly got there. As no truly perfect poem has ever been written, IMHO. For man being an imperfect creature can not create anything perfect in this world.. Yet as poets , we must try..... that is the gift, the blessing and the curse.... I had just posted a poem that ties into this vein of thought- Sir Poet, Hold True To Thy Gifts Long Given....
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Robert Lindley
Date: 5/14/2017 6:08:00 AM
Yes. Words to live by my friend. My very best poems, a collection of over 600 poems, written over a three year period in my early twenties were stolen and burned by my ex-wife.. A few I have rewritten from memory but most are gone. Still I have many other poems that I kept, I rarely ever tossed a poem away...
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/14/2017 3:05:00 AM
'Hold true to thy gifts'...Wise words indeed Robert
Date: 5/13/2017 9:19:00 AM
sure hope so! but i'd already been writing poetry for years before i found this site, so my 'early' poems here aren't really early...sometimes i wonder if i really have progressed...sometimes i wonder if i've actually REgressed in some ways! lol i'm someone who can quickly become creatively inhibited if i read too much technical detail and know-how about poetry, so i have to guard against that on this site
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/14/2017 3:10:00 AM
A good reason to keep your anthology Charlotte to look back sometimes and be encouraged by those jewels in your crown
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/13/2017 1:23:00 PM
Love the way your mind works so logically Charlotte, like all else in life ... let me use golf as an example, the more specific thoughts and lessons cloud your mind, the less freedom you have to swing naturally, yet there are some things we must learn to improve and finding that balance is the key.

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