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..TEARING WINGS OFF BUTTERFLIES

Blog Posted:5/6/2017 1:25:00 AM

" the very attempt to define poetry as misguided."

I came across this quote today and it seemed appropriate to a number of our recent discussions.

Is it just an intellectual exercise so to do? interesting yes, but achieves no purpose?

Is not poetry something to enjoy or not ,according to who we are!

Great detailed analysis of a piece of art or a poem, can be very negative.

Like most things (,ourselves included) too much close-up perhaps reveals things we would rather not let others see

is poetry analysis and seeking definition etc

like ...tearing wings off butterflies



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Date: 5/7/2017 9:10:00 AM
@Ian and Craig. You guys would have bust a gut laughing ... I wrote an entry for CV2's two day poem contest. In order for a poem to even be considered for a win, the poet must use all ten of the mandatory words and they words have to used in context to their meaning.. one of the words was ABSQUATULATED .. which means "to leave in haste." The contest also has a facebook page for contestants to meet each other, whine and ask questions. That one word was hard! Still, first place is $500, 2nd place $300 and 3rd place $150.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/8/2017 8:43:00 AM
Ian, though you have absquatulated, I have to say I was doing the cha-cha on my desk whilst juggling those ten blades. The poison tasted strangely of chai tea. PS- Love this issue of SWITCH. You look good in print
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/8/2017 8:41:00 AM
Ruben :DDD I'd be happy with any of the six spots. They hinted they had an additional hundred poets this year-- so 300-350 tried the challenge. 6 spots. Still, your extra set of eyes and gentle nudging gives me an advantage :D Winners announced July 8th.
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Anthony Mark
Date: 5/8/2017 5:53:00 AM
Cyndi, I would never laugh at a lady shackled to a desk with ten blades poised to plunge, should she tremble at the wrong moment, ..we all choose our poisons according to the cut of our conscience, you are well equipped and armed to win the " who blinks first" contest, and are admired accordingly...now I must absquatulate x
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/7/2017 5:41:00 PM
If I win any spot, I will THANK poetrysoup for getting me prepared, so to speak, for that contest. The years of contests on soup, even those that used a similar "must include these words" rule book, helped me put the pedal to the metal. I learned a great deal ----> out there... but I did learn quite a bit, too, <----in here.
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/7/2017 2:34:00 PM
BALDERDASH!! 8-) Hey--if ya can't have fun!
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/7/2017 11:29:00 AM
Well, what can I say? Art patrons are so hard to find, these days ;) xxx
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Anthony Mark
Date: 5/7/2017 10:59:00 AM
Mercenary xxx
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/7/2017 9:16:00 AM
I'll most likely lose, but I get a year's worth of CV2 (love the journal) and meeting some of the other poets was truly FUN. I can reclaim the poem if it isn't one of the six (3 honourable mentions) and revise, send elsewhere. So win, win, win :DD
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/7/2017 9:13:00 AM
The ten words were: bunk copacetic stippled begets unroofed daguerreotype dank foundling bombastic absquatulated. It was a challenge but a fun challenge. The winners will be announced in July.
Date: 5/7/2017 6:03:00 AM
I don't get analysed ....just told off for my grammar and punctuation , however, though I lack the words to accurately describe what I felt in someone's poem...I am more than capable of discerning whether it's a true write in that it set out to become what it became...or one aimed to impress, with all the thesaurus words dripping new paint all over the place....yeah...leave them Butterflies alone ! X
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Doug Vinson
Date: 5/7/2017 2:33:00 PM
" with all the thesaurus words dripping new paint all over the place..." = Ha! That's great... : )
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/7/2017 7:29:00 AM
Good analogy Ian about the thesaurus words because too often some feel they have to in most of their poems and I find that manufactured and disingenuous.
Date: 5/6/2017 5:47:00 PM
@craig... It isn't conscious, and I can't turn it off! My teacher warned us, and she was right! Here is what it's like being in Cyndi's head when she reads fiction (the dum de dum is words in a novel.. )... dum de dum de dum de--wow, love what she did there. what a way to show character. dum de dum de dum de du---interesting way to advance the plot! Must read this paragraph twice!!! -- dum de--too much back story all in one shot. why do that now?--dum de dum de dum... oooooh, the dialogue is so crisp, real.... and on and on and on... so I can't SHUT UP THE WRITER in me. I can't turn it off. So, first I allow myself to read and enjoy it as a writer! Then? Then I read it again because the writer has noted the way the book was written and the reader in me can just enjoy the work without constantly yelling at the writer to stop noticing things, stop appreciating the language, stop stop stop seeing the way the setting is brilliantly woven through-out a piece or how subtly a writer has laced a scene with emotion, just simmering under the surface, the action tags used, the way tension is slowly being built, foreshadowing done like nobody's business... all of it, I can't just flip a mental switch to not notice these things. Man, though, I wish I could!!!! I miss just reading and not knowing why I like what I like.
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Doug Vinson
Date: 5/8/2017 8:52:00 AM
I love hearing good, crisp Spanish spoken. Studied it for 5 years, but that was 40 years ago. You don't lose it all, but without practice one dims. Still, just thinking about it gives me a warm feeling.
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Doug Vinson
Date: 5/7/2017 2:36:00 PM
Cyndi, the one thing I'm great at is procrastination. Even if one's mind is "unquiet," there may be great value in going full bore, and that seems to be what you are doing. Kudos to you for really pursuing your dream. Most of the people I know err the other way.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/7/2017 8:12:00 AM
Oh, DOUG...lol... I am horrible at relaxing! Maybe, that is the problem, that or I just that I am not reading ENOUGH fiction. I've spent so much time with poetry that I can (mostly) just enjoy a poem on its first reading. But not with long work. The longer it is, the more that analytical part kicks in. But you are right! That IS what I do...hahaha! "I will not I will not!"
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Doug Vinson
Date: 5/7/2017 6:43:00 AM
Cyndi, could it be a matter of relaxing the analytical part of your mind? Somewhat the opposite of telling yourself, "I will not think about that stuff, I will not think about that stuff..."
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/6/2017 9:34:00 PM
I hear ya, and understand truly because there are some things I am excessive compulsive about like my lawn for one. I built a kayak and tore it apart and rebuilt it because it was a 1/4 off line and NO ONE could tell me otherwise, but it is hard to criticize the desire for perfection - it is better than the alternative--yet, that HAPPY medium--grrrr. 8-)
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 7:35:00 PM
Ruben, I have an easier time falling into a poem than fiction. I write both, so I guess its only because poetry is shorter? I still see the art in poetry as I read it, but it doesn't intrude on me in the same way as when I read a novel. Like you, if I don't like the first three pages, I don't finish the book.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 7:31:00 PM
How did you do it, Chris!!! Seriously, any hints on how to "switch off??" It drives me crazy! I used to be able to read and just "be in" the story. Is it something that just happened to you over time or do you have a technique?
Date: 5/6/2017 4:16:00 PM
yes, i think we can over-analyze poems, and even read things into them that aren't there! i've had that happen with my own poems - someone 'sees' something that i wasn't consciously aware of and didn't do intentionally, but it makes me look cleverer than i am, so i ain't gonna argue! lol...i read firstly for pleasure, then secondly as a writer...we don't always have to dissect and analyze to learn, because if you read a lot things sink in on a subliminal level anyway...so much in poetry is subliminal
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 6:23:00 PM
Usually, #1 is apparent but #2 is subjective and the reader will always bring their own experience and or knowledge into the poem.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 6:21:00 PM
There are two ways to analyze poems. 1) for its construction... recognizable choices.. the contrast of cold and hot or alliteration or a line break that falls between two words in such a way that the reader is surprised at where the poem veers... then there is 2) the theme or subject and what the poet is conveying.
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/6/2017 4:42:00 PM
Very true Charlotte
Date: 5/6/2017 3:38:00 PM
Always have been tempted to tear the wings off, even if bad motivation it is. "Just to see what happens." Maybe it's just an intellectual exercise, maybe not - it's something people want to do. The desire may be there. What, really, is the harm?
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/8/2017 8:51:00 AM
:D Favourite Star Trek Next Generation Episode: Darmok. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoM_kPGfkw0 I'll check back here to see if you guys keep this up.
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Doug Vinson
Date: 5/7/2017 2:39:00 PM
"I took you home / Set you on the glass / I pulled off your wings / Then I laughed / I watched a change in you / It's like you never had wings / Now you feel so alive / I have watched you change" -- Deftones 'Change'
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/6/2017 4:41:00 PM
Doug in artistic terms ..we are what we are!
Date: 5/6/2017 11:12:00 AM
if we say a poem is beautiful is that the limit of its beauty or is its beauty limited to whatever set of eyes are looking at it and if there is an analysis of its beauty wouldn't it be different for everyone, allowing it not to be black and white, not tearing wings off of butterflies rather understanding its construction to find the birth of its beauty
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 7:40:00 PM
(Cyndi kisses both of Frederic's cheeks a la Quebecois... bon mots!)
Date: 5/6/2017 9:37:00 AM
I cannot stand to read analytical poetry or poetry that is long and cumbersome. If it is short and sweet, it speaks to me, and if it is superbly written, it sings to me! And wings of the butterfly are soaring, not being torn off.
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Andrea Dietrich
Date: 5/7/2017 1:02:00 AM
I'll have to see it, Cyndi. Like Brian, I have a short attention span. I am even shocked that people read my sonnets since they are a bit long! I do love enjambment and flow, so I will have to check out Rooftops.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 7:44:00 PM
Actually, reading Brian's response below made me realize that I think you'd really like the poem "Rooftops" by Tim Steele. It IS your language. It is longer, but I could easily have typed BY ANDREA DIETRICH and most would believe it. It has good enjambment, flow, rhythm and heart...
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/6/2017 10:29:00 AM
Although I had no problem with Tim Steele's Rooftops, 36 liner.(Cyndi blog)I was 'lost' in the images.
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/6/2017 10:26:00 AM
Yes me too Andrea, I rarely ask here for more than 25 lines in my contests.Possibly my attention span is deficient.
Date: 5/6/2017 9:07:00 AM
I expect my viewpoint comes because I see poetry as art in the same light as I would in a gallery.Most paintings are best seen from afar.(except Newman who invites the viewer to step close)or when you are allowed to touch a tactile bronze or marble
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/6/2017 9:51:00 AM
Sorry jumped from below
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/6/2017 9:48:00 AM
Yes, I hear and understand everything you are saying but I feel you "probably" go too far to the point of seeing things that are not there and I hope that your sentence is backward in that shouldn't one read for the sheer pleasure before read as a writer and poet. I wouldn't like to be a movie critic because I fear it may affect the experience of simply enjoying it.
Date: 5/6/2017 8:38:00 AM
Like all arts, it's a balancing act. I remember when I took my fiction writing course. The first thing the teacher said was, "you will never read fiction the same way after this course. You will still enjoy books and short stories, but you will read like a 'writer reads' ", and I didn't really understand what she meant...until about half way through the course. We did analyze work, per say, what we did was learn about the elements of fiction, and we openly gave feedback to each student as they read their work aloud. Suddenly, we saw why authors made certain choices & why a subplot was added. Sometimes, I need to read things TWICE. Once, as a writer or poet, then again for sheer pleasure. Analysis, to me, does not destroy the work. To me, it is just a opening the window wider. Though some like the sheers to haze the view, I sometimes like to throw open the windows and really SEE not only the bird in the tree, but its nest, its three eggs. Seeing it is not disturbing what lies within and does not so much as even touch its shell. But it does get in close, sees the speckles, the full shape, and yes, its fragility. Building on skillsets requires study and what better to study than a poem that has already been studied by a staff of editors and then published? Poets are readers, too. Still, too much of anything can be detrimental. Which is why we have poetry pubs only about once a month, I think. And when we leave the pub, the butterfly still lives, moves on. Since I've received thanks from those who offered up our "specimens" and one said to me, "why, its like you showed the inner mechanisms of my poem and I learned something from you. Thank you. I think of your analysis of a gift." Then, I think that not only are we "doing no harm" but actually "doing something beneficial." But to each their own. We are all on our own paths. I hope you have a good weekend, Brian. Cheers...
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/6/2017 11:32:00 AM
Yes, I hear your passion to learn and with good reason and since your focus is on being published it is a worthy preoccupation, but I am happy to be free from those labors and lucky to have those like you and Ruben and Chris from whom to suckle the wisdom you offer--for me to do it alone is too tedious--so thank you
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/6/2017 9:50:00 AM
sorry it jumped above & I copied back here and weird stuff happened
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Date: 5/6/2017 9:49:00 AM
cornish Avatar craig cornish Date: 5/6/2017 9:48:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry Yes, I hear and understand everything you are saying but I feel you "probably" go too far to the point of seeing things that are not there and I hope that your sentence is backward in that shouldn't one read for the sheer pleasure before read as a writer and poet. I wouldn't like to be a movie critic because I fear it may affect the experience of simply enjoying it.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 9:07:00 AM
Okay, now must fly. Hugs!
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 9:06:00 AM
I hope Charlotte doesn't mind me mentioning her name, here, but she too has said sometimes she prefers to just let a poem "BE" and not give it an "autopsy." I get that, too. But, to me, its more like open heart surgery and the patient lives.. we get to hold a beating heart... to me, anyways.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 9:04:00 AM
learned how to keep the reader with me, so close that I can even capitalize without them noticing. It is beautiful, what he does, and I am glad it landed on my hand, where I studied it. Then, off it flew...
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 9:03:00 AM
I understand. You were surprised that you did not notice the use of all capitalization. I looked closer, saw the full stops, non-enjambment on the first stanza. I may use that technique at some time, the intentional slowdown, the pacing.
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/6/2017 8:59:00 AM
Of course Cyndi ,we can approach a poem for different reasons,but I always approach one of your pubnight expecting a butterfly.And you usually succeed.So no pressure then!
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/6/2017 8:56:00 AM
And you Cyndi, your Timothy Steele is an example of 'a butterfly' for me at least
Date: 5/6/2017 8:09:00 AM
I hated it in school when we had to analyze a poem to death and answer the question "What did the poet want to say with this?" The poet said exactly what he wanted to say. We had to write a take home essay dissecting a poem of our choice. So I went home, wrote a very bad poem that was full of very obvious metaphors (butterfly wings featured, too), and then interpreted the heck out of it. And if the teacher would have dared to argue with me about "what the poet meant to say", I would have fessed up to authorship. It didn't come to it; I got my A for my brilliant analysis. Also, people sometimes find meanings in my poems that I never put there - one of the great things about poetry.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/6/2017 7:49:00 PM
I am curious what pen name you used :DDD I'm thinking of the Bronte sisters...too funny! And I like what you said about "...great thing about poetry." Doesn't matter how it connects, as long as it does...cheers!
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/6/2017 9:35:00 AM
Love it Agnes! I used to do that with book reports in Grammar school (make up a story and report on my own book). No computers then and I was always ready to comment on the author's intentions LOL
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/6/2017 8:49:00 AM
Yes that has happened to me area times,especially with some of my enigmatic offerings
Date: 5/6/2017 4:47:00 AM
Pun kind of intended, but I am a bit torn on this...perhaps it also depends on the mindset? So many factors come into play...sorry i'll be jumping here & there. Have you ever seen butterfly wings that have been magnified? I saw them long ago on a field trip and it left me in awe, seeing such a colorful spectrum on what was seemingly a one/two colored wing. One can look closely at something,in this case, a poem- magnify, dissect it & it becomes this impressive, layered world & glean much from it or one can look at it, perhaps on a cellular level & get lost, or dissect it wherein you don't get to understand what belongs where, or what purpose it has, you end up not appreciating it all. Contd
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/6/2017 6:18:00 AM
No kabuteng have not had that experience.It sounds fascinating however My title was more an analogy of destroying a thing of beauty rather than just appreciating it for what it is.
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Kabuteng P.Ink K.
Date: 5/6/2017 5:08:00 AM
*does try ... Also want to reiterate... Poetry analysis? yes can be like tearing wings and be bad or it can also actually be good, depends really on the circumstance and I also think on the writer, of how much they have divulged (or willing to divulge) about their piece and on their writing of it. Soery about my 3am ramble, yeah guess i better get some sleep so i can be 'quiet' now.hope i made even a wee sense
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Kabuteng P.Ink K.
Date: 5/6/2017 5:00:00 AM
I said I was torn and since I am also weird... As someone who tends to attempt to put layers in the stuff i write, part of me will always be intrigued when somebody (although rarely) does to dissect it & see the layer/s. I do love it when it happens that it is I who glean from what others interpret something else from my write and it becomes sort of a surprise/bonus for me...But since I am me, part of me also somehow gets protective of it, not wanting too much of that dissection or nitpicking since I have my quirks and reasons for writing in a particular thing... In a nutshell, what we write or read... There will always be differences in it... We all have different mindsets, perspectives, growing up and these all come into play, I do think it would influence you, one way or another.
Date: 5/6/2017 2:55:00 AM
When at school in the fifties, we read Shakespeare and poetry in English Lit purely to study for O level exams and the constant flicking back and forth to the notes at the back of the books was as I later found (too many years I'm afraid)an off put like my blog title.
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Craig Cornish
Date: 5/6/2017 3:01:00 PM
Strangely, or perhaps not Brian, I believe that more than half the battle with Shakespeare was translating old English to contemporary because it was like another language in so many ways.

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4/28/2024 COLLAGISTA miro Didacticart,
4/28/2024 SL ecphrasis couplet X Ekphrasisart,
4/28/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XXXI Ekphrasisart,
4/27/2024 SL ecphrais couplet IX Ekphrasisart,
4/27/2024 COMBINISTA rauschenberg Didacticart,
4/27/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XXX Ekphrasisart,
4/26/2024 SL ecphrasis couplet VIII Ekphrasisart,
4/26/2024 SOBETEXISTA miro Didacticart,
4/26/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XXIX Ekphrasisart,
4/25/2024 SURREALITY Othersurreal,word play,
4/25/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XXVII Ekphrasisart,
4/25/2024 SYNESTHISTA kandinsky Didacticart,
4/25/2024 SL ecphrasis couplet VII Ekphrasisart,
4/24/2024 SL ecphrasisi couplet VI Ekphrasisart,
4/24/2024 SUPPORTISTA viallat Didacticart,
4/24/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XXV Ekphrasisart,
4/23/2024 MIRROR a reflection Biobeauty,
4/23/2024 CHARICATURISTA carracci Didacticart,
4/23/2024 SL ecphrasis couplet V Ekphrasisart,
4/23/2024 CLERIEW ecphrasis XXIV Ekphrasisart,
4/22/2024 PSALM 23 a paraphrase Biochristian,poetry,words,
4/22/2024 SL ecphrasis couplet IV Ekphrasisart,
4/22/2024 O-P-E-N-I-S-T- A morley Didacticpoetry,poets,
4/22/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XXIII Ekphrasisart,
4/21/2024 SL ecphrasis couplet III Ekphrasisart,
4/21/2024 INTIMISTA bonnard vuillard Didacticart,
4/21/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XXII Ekphrasisart,
4/20/2024 HOBBY 1 art 2 poetry 3 contest Bioart,community,encouraging
4/20/2024 SL ecphrasis couplet II Ekphrasisart,
4/20/2024 ICONISTA van dyck Didacticart,
4/20/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XXI Ekphrasisart,
4/19/2024 SL ecphrasis couplet I Ekphrasisart,
4/19/2024 HISTORISTA david ingres Didacticart,
4/19/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XX Ekphrasisart,
4/18/2024 THE LIFE Acrosticchristian,life,
4/18/2024 THE IMAGE I CLING TO Bioart,jesus,
4/18/2024 OUTLINISTA jawlensky Didacticart,
4/18/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XIX Ekphrasisart,
4/17/2024 PROPORTIONISTA durer Didacticart,
4/17/2024 CLERIHEW ecphrasis XVIII Ekphrasisart,

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