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MID-WEEK PUB NIGHT SPECIAL a poet's eye to conception

Blog Posted:4/19/2017 5:32:00 AM

 

We are in the snug bar tonight, the TV sports have been relegated elsewhere.Grab a pie, some crisps(chips) or pork scatchings , a nice iced drink and park yourself on a stool to ensure full attention for a half -hour or so.

Here below is the story(extract), in a poet's own words of how an 'as is moment' became perhaps the clasic imagist poem in English (at least)

"Ezra Pound (from Gaudier-Brzeska, 1916)"

"Three years ago in Paris I got out of a "metro" train at La Concorde, and saw suddenly a beautiful face, and then another and another, and then a beautiful child’s face, and then another beautiful woman, and I tried all that day to find words for what this had meant to me, and I could not find any words that seemed to me worthy, or as lovely as that sudden emotion. And that evening, as I went home along the Rue Raynouard, I was still trying and I found, suddenly, the expression. I do not mean that I found words, but there came an equation . . . not in speech, but in little splotches of colour. It was just that - a "pattern," or hardly a pattern, if by "pattern" you mean something with a "repeat" in it. But it was a word, the beginning, for me, of a language in colour. ......I found it useful in getting out of the impasse in which I had been left by my metro emotion. I wrote a thirty-line poem, and destroyed it because it was what we call work "of second intensity." Six months later I made a poem half that length; a year later I made the following hokku-like sentence: --

"The apparition of these faces in the crowd:

Petals, on a wet, black bough."

I dare say it is meaningless unless one has drifted into a certain vein of thought. I a poem of this sort one is trying to record the precise instant when a thing outward and objective transforms itself, or darts into a thing inward and subjective."

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Three points jump  out for me in this extract from Pound's tale of this poem

1.The conception process

2.The '  revision ' process from 30 lines ,to 15 ,then to destructuion ,then 'rebirth' to 2 , plus of course  the integral title

IN A STATION OF THE METRO)

3.A poem without a verb, enforces the image

What did you notice ?

Does it ring any bells? and ...

For those interested in reading more of Pound's article and  an in depth  academic discussion on Pound's classic this link maybe of interest

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/pound/metro.htm

LATER UPDATE

If you had to write the second line of this poem in just seven syllables in the context of Pound's description above How would it read?

I wrote this verse some years ago to convey the imagist process as it appeared to me and seemingly to Pound a century earlier.....

fleeting butterflies

land in my mind-

a moment becomes a poem

POSTSCRIPT

For those interested in exploring Imagist poetry I suggest a Dover thift book

Imagist Poetry an anthology ed Bob Blaisdell isbn 0486408752 

All the key imagist poets are included.

 



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Date: 4/20/2017 7:47:00 PM
What jumps out at me is the fact that petals come in varied colors, and yet, that specificity is left to the reader to decide. For some reason, the background of a black bough, leaves me imagining the petals as white simply for the contrast, yet, given the context, I imagine a pink, or violet petal would probably more closely convey the emotion he was trying to capture. Anyway, this blog is my intro to imagism, and now I have something new to read up on and learn about, so thanks for that! -G
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Doug Vinson
Date: 4/21/2017 11:49:00 AM
Graham, I think you are correct about the contrast of the petals against the bark - in the context it definitely makes sense. So, "light" colors regardless of what, exactly, they are. I love imagism though it's new to me too.
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Brian Strand
Date: 4/21/2017 1:25:00 AM
G ..that's good news ..best wishes with your studies etc
Date: 4/20/2017 2:28:00 PM
Per Brian's question - (write your own second line), I would do something like, The apparition of these faces in the crowd: // Fair islands streamed by haze. Or, Points of morning against dusk. Good discussion.
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Doug Vinson
Date: 4/22/2017 9:46:00 AM
Brian. : ) All's well then....
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Brian Strand
Date: 4/22/2017 4:28:00 AM
No problem about the syllable count Doug,your first shot is the better image imh(I only said 7 because that's the number Pound used)
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Doug Vinson
Date: 4/21/2017 11:50:00 AM
"embarrassing," should be... Auuugghhh! :P
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Doug Vinson
Date: 4/21/2017 11:45:00 AM
"Fair islands streamed by haze" = how embarrasing, as that's only 6 syllables, not 7. I was rushing - my co-worked had just asked if I was ready to go eat and I'd said yes.... "Fair islands adrift in haze," perhaps.
Date: 4/20/2017 2:00:00 AM
Whilst Pound was at the intellect heart of Imagism as a movement Edward Storer encapsulated it better I think..'aiming at a form of expression,like the Japanese,in which an image is the reasonant heart of an exquisite moment'
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Brian Strand
Date: 4/20/2017 10:56:00 AM
Yes taai, you and me both ,there is a connection between art and imagism
Date: 4/19/2017 6:01:00 PM
My second line (see my update challenge above ) would read...IN A STATION OF THE METRO/The apparition of these faces in the crowd:/Beauty,is so subjective
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Date: 4/19/2017 3:02:00 PM
Turning from the process to the poem.....the integral title identifies 'the where' line 1 tells 'the what' and line 2 'shows' without telling and needs some imaginative effort on our part( mine at any rate) to enter into Pound's mind .The 'faces ' ,because of our experience of such a scene might prompt other images
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Date: 4/19/2017 2:45:00 PM
Fantastic topic, Brian. : )
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Brian Strand
Date: 4/19/2017 2:51:00 PM
Thanks Doug ,I trust you will enjoy the pub night discussion that ensues.
Date: 4/19/2017 2:32:00 PM
The other aspect " I found, suddenly, the expression. I do not mean that I found words, but there came an equation . . . not in speech, but in little splotches of colour"...But it was a word, the beginning, for me, of a language in colour. ......I found it useful in getting out of the impasse in which I had been left by my metro emotion".Perhaps the clearest description I have encountered in my studies of our artform of the 'as is moment' that starts the process that ends up here on the 'Submit a poem ' link.
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Date: 4/19/2017 9:07:00 AM
What is facinating to me in Pound's artlicle is ..the way he struggled 'all day' with the emotions the images created within him before he could find words.This struck a chord with me as it regularly happens to me.It is nice to know and have it confirmed by an imagist of his stature.(albeit that he did not remain so)
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Date: 4/19/2017 8:06:00 AM
This only reiterates what I have said. Despite accumulated knowledge, years of experience writing poetry and even success with publication, the poet's prime purpose is to listen to her/his instinct and to answer only to her/himself. I can imagine that others would have read his original piece and have been moved by his 32 lines (I am not convinced that his first attempts were inferior to the hokku-- simply different.) He knew what HE wanted to convey and pursued that vision. There are a million ways to write a single poem-- to add, to lose, to pare down, to elaborate, what to cut, what to spare... and it all comes down to the poet's choices and what he believes poetry can and should be
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 4/19/2017 10:58:00 AM
Eventually, we are either satisfied with the piece or we leave it as is.... sometimes we gain new skills or become more aware of a poetic tool and that can inspire future revisions. Revision is often stimulated by growth, and a poet developing new skills.
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 4/19/2017 10:57:00 AM
When what we have written in no way represents our inner vision we are driven to keep chipping away, reworking it, until the disparity becomes less and less.
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Brian Strand
Date: 4/19/2017 9:23:00 AM
The poet's choice,indeed Cyndi ,but what is that stimulates that choice of revision.?
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Brian Strand
Date: 4/19/2017 8:59:00 AM
It is difficult to say Cyndi as there is no record of Pound's first(or second for that matter)that he decided to destroy was 'better' than the final two liner with an integral title.
Date: 4/19/2017 8:05:00 AM
i love that famous image! first read it years ago and it stayed with me - so effective and haunting
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 4/19/2017 10:59:00 AM
It's captivating, isn't it? Enough there to grasp, but still mysterious, a bit allusive.
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Brian Strand
Date: 4/19/2017 9:10:00 AM
Yes Charlotte, you hit the 'nail on the head' effective and haunting indeed,these words confirm Pound's success with converting the emotions of his metro experiences into words

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