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  1. Date: 6/8/2014 3:00:00 AM
    The beauty of the free form 'modern' sonnet still lies in its triple quatrain/couplet form.Here is an example of mine.SURREAL FEEL I looked,I saw an image blue/a memory,fleeting yet true,/midst the black,white and grey/just awaiting me to portrait;/I tried to re-capture this dream,/ reality's not how it seems,/it flows & ebbs as morning mist,/just out of reach,shadows persist;/A high sun then dazzles my eyes,/frustration,streams out soundless sighs,/forever lost,this unique insight,/when suddenly,I start to write/Creative words,so surreal/ will my little song appeal ?(Listen to me read this 'modern sonnet' (little song)& other poems recited on youtube under name ichthyschiro).'Old 'or' modern ' in style ,sonnets always need to be spoken aloud& heard.

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  1. Date: 6/7/2014 3:43:00 PM
    Millay, in a sonnet about writing a sonnet, puts it best, as usual: I will put Chaos into fourteen lines And keep him there; and let him thence escape If he be lucky; let him twist, and ape Flood, fire, and demon--his adroit designs Will strain to nothing in the strict confines Of this sweet Order, where, in pious rape, I hold his essence and amorphous shape, Till he with Order mingles and combines. Past are the hours, the years, or our duress, His arrogance, our awful servitude: I have him. He is nothing more than less Than something simple not yet understood; I shall not even force him to confess; Or answer. I will only make him good.

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  1. Date: 6/7/2014 3:37:00 PM
    I love to see poetry discussions like this and would love to be in a room with you all...seeing your expressions and reactions especially when I add this little gem that I keep in mind with every form...for the reason why a particular form has its genesis. So looking very expectant for ah ha reactions I add in 2 parts . Pythagorean-Platonic theory of numbers. The actual architecture of the sonnet, the decision to add six lines to the familiar strambotto, or eight-line stanza, may be based on discussions of harmonic proportion in Plato’s Timaeus and the numerical relations to the sonnet, as well as the ideal ratio proposed by Pythagoras—the Golden Mean, later known as the Divine Proportion

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  1. Date: 6/7/2014 9:45:00 AM
    Read the blog and most of the ensuing discussion when I woke up this morning. Wow! What a flurry while I slept. This is the best blog/ discussion since I joined the soup two months ago. While I intend to agree more with Craig and Andrea, I do appreciate all the other comments and, Cyndi, you have made me think and flex my mental muscle which is good. Well, all of you will be the judge of whether it is good on not. Thanks, all, for this energizing rant. I love this kind of exchange. Thanks, Craig, for being a traditionalist in the ways you stated here. I am so saddened by what is happening to the language!! Sometimes I have to read several times just to understand.

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  1. Date: 6/7/2014 9:31:00 AM
    By the way Craig, great write and I really enjoyed reading it.

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  1. Date: 6/7/2014 9:29:00 AM
    My thoughts are it is a great thing to learn from and know enough of the previous legendary poets to be able to discern good from bad and use history to influence the now. Ilove the Blue, the music and when in poetic verse. As anamateur I read the greats to improve but do not care to replicate their work even if I had the talent.I mucgh rather prefer to do my own thing and not care if it impresses to greatness. Not likely to ever be great but do enjoy wrting with the hope it gives others pleasure and/or some amount of hope.

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  1. Date: 6/7/2014 6:45:00 AM
    Why jab at academia and yet then expect all to first learn a traditional version of a form verse? Elvis had no musical education, none! He did fine. Natural instinct. The Blues was sung and played by blacks across America by those who were denied formal musical education due to their skin colour. They didn't need to learn how to play Beethoven to find the rhythm of their times. Yes, I agree that there is no harm in learning the traditional forms, but I will argue this point from my grave, it may even by chiseled into the stone, "You do not need to learn a historical form in order to write its contemporary version!" Hell, I may tattoo it on my cushy behind!! LOL! Man, I love letting it out!

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  1. Date: 6/7/2014 3:17:00 AM
    Here is my 'modern' sonnet -a demi-sonnet ie 6&1)No noise,silence,/ the beating of my heart,/ alone,with my thoughts;/ Without,I see the breeze,/ soundless,active,alive,/ slowly I awake,arise/ to another day/ Poetry(like art)& as structured prose has endless possibilities to the creative mind.Hallelujah

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  1. Date: 6/6/2014 8:43:00 PM
    That's why I tried to get the group to do couplets then quatrains, that is the foundation of a sonnet if you can do those just staggering the end rhyme is very simple! [abab][cdcd][efef][gg] sonnet!

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  1. Date: 6/6/2014 2:06:00 PM
    I'm a sonnet guy, and I do have a problem with some poems I've read being called sonnets.Having said that and still in the process of learning how to write a classical sonnet, I'm open to new ideas but not at the expense of what a sonnet is to me. If given a choice though I'd rather read a poorly written sonnet in form and structure and yet soared in its poetic verse then one that was perfect in form yet had no poetry in it...For me my goal is to one day write a sonnet perfect in form and structure and is overflowing with poetic verse..that day is closer than it was 4 years ago when I first started writing sonnets, yet it is still further than I'd like

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  1. Date: 6/6/2014 1:47:00 PM
    I'd love to see this blog go HOT... Craig, what do you feel is required for a sonnet to be a sonnet? Other than rhyme and line length? Curious.

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  1. Date: 6/6/2014 1:38:00 PM
    I love the classics... I love 'em. And I love the contemporary sonnets. To me, what makes a sonnet truly a sonnet is this--- a metaphor is introduced and then nurtured. There is a twist, a redirection in either mood or thought and then.. (my favourite part)... there is a summary that encapsulates the whole. I have to be honest. I've read some sonnets that are supposedly written in the "classical" way which to me are NOT sonnets (just because they followed a rhyme template...) and then I have read a contemporary sonnet that has barely a hint of rhyme and is not blank verse (so not metered) and yet, it has captured the true SOUL of a sonnet...it is a big idea in a little poem. Perfect. :D

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  1. Date: 6/6/2014 11:45:00 AM
    Craig I do agree in part, some things needed changing forever, a basic hand whisk into a multi whisker/chopper/grater/peeler/juicer.....how many chefs would thank you for a basic hand whisk...some things need to be put into a black hole and never seen again, but poetry has evolved and will always evolve it doesn't mean that no one will ever write a sonnet again, the purists are always lurking in the shadows waiting for 'their' moment...

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  1. Date: 6/6/2014 10:35:00 AM
    Craig [though I do agree in most part] please post some 'so called' Modern Sonnets that you would never call a sonnet. This was my point in the 3 lines contest - no need to call it haiku & come under those restraints - let it be what it is - or if it's new give it a new form name. Not all verses of 14 lines need to be called a sonnet!

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