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PUB NIGHT SPECIAL to prose or poetry?

Blog Posted:5/22/2017 9:55:00 AM

Come into the pub garden, help yourself to the bar b q and salad, and a thirst quenching cold drink ,listen or join the discussion.

Today we discuss this  Charles Baudelaire offering

The Port 
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A Port is a delightful place of rest for a soul weary of life's battles. The vastness of the sky, the mobile architecture of the clouds, the changing coloration of the sea, the twinkling of the lights, are a prism marvellously fit to amuse the eyes without ever tiring them. The slender shapes of the ships with their complicated rigging, to which the surge lends harmonious oscillations, serve to sustain within the soul the taste for rhythm and beauty. Also, and above all, for the man who of mysterious and aristocratic pleasure in contemplating, while lying on the belvedere or resting his elbows on the jetty-head, all these movements of men who are leaving and men who are returning, of those who still have the strength to will, the desire to travel or to enrich themselves. 

--Charles Baudelaire--

This work is shown in PS definitions as prose poetry ...

alongside are PS definitions (which I reproduce for everyone's convenience)

Prose is writing distinguished from poetry by its greater variety of rhythm and its closer resemblance to the patterns of everyday speech. The word prose comes from the Latin prosa, meaning straightforward. This describes the type of writing that prose embodies, unadorned with obvious stylistic devices. Prose writing is usually adopted for the description of facts or the discussion of ideas. Thus, it may be used for newspapers, magazines, novels, encyclopedias, screenplays, films, philosophy, letters, essays, history, biography and many other forms of media. 

Prose poetry is usually considered a form of poetry written in prose that breaks some of the normal rules associated with prose discourse, for heightened imagery or emotional effect, among other purposes. Arguments continue about whether prose poetry is actually a form of poetry or a form of prose (or a separate genre altogether). Like poetry (intense, sculpted) but without line breaks.

Do you think 'The Port' is 'prose' or ' Prose Poetry'?

and is there anything you would add to PS definition? (or delete for that matter)

Have you written any 'Prose Poetry'? why not share  its title and date with us 

UPDATE A

Here is a link Cyndi suggests to show a more modern example of prose poetry

http://www.contemporaryverse2.ca/en/poetry/excerpt/the-truth-about-starlight

UPDATE B

For me ,to distinguish and or define what is prose and what is prose  poetry in literature , as PS definitions above , show can often be a matter of taste.My solution is to define all 'poetry' as ...

STRUCTURED PROSE is a form of language which applies ordinary grammatical structure and natural flow of speech rather than a rhythmic structure. Meter etc is replaced by pauses implied by the syntax, thus,and thereby the limiting factor of one human breath is naturally incorporated in the cadence.
 
Here are a couple of my 'prose poetry' or 'structured prose ' or what you will..
 

THREE SCORE AND TEN

AGE comes upon. us gradually,realisation
hits us all of a sudden.Hearing no longer
acute,coments and questions will need a
repeat for our world is no longer distinct.
One day we need assistance with what
others voice and say.Deficient,an aid. to
complement the grey.
AGE comes upon us so gradually realisation
hits us all of a sudden.Floaters appear in our
eye,magnification is needed for things both
near and far,the door is ajar.
AGE comes upon us so gradually realisation 
hits us all of sudden.Fingers have nodules
and bumps,no longer grip and to prevent a
fall,we walk with a stick.

 
Wisdom and experience of life is ignored,
not wanted at all.Absent the mind,sometimes
'senior moments' we recall for the realisation
of age,so gradual creeps up on us all.


WHAT IS THE POINT
What is the point?A comment so
often made,a question  in some
bored moment.A reflection to pass
away some dull moments ‘til something
other provides a momentary distraction
to fill the mind with a temporal
train of thought.Soon the question
is then forgotten.Life is too short
is it not?Yes it is,pick up the ‘obits’
read the news,watch the straplines
on the twenty-four hour news.Yes
life is often very short for some!
The question then becomes so
acute and relevant.What is the 
point?The point,dear friend is to
find the answer to living.What
is that you ask?To turn back to
your maker and live out His unique
design.He created you.That is the point!

UPDATE C

This is Mark Anthony's eulogy oration displayed INA structured prose form

Frienme
, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones:
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault;
And grievously hath Caesar answer'd it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest,--
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honorable men,--
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:

 

the same presented as a piece of prose in my comment to this blog.


 

 

 

 

 



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Date: 5/23/2017 1:22:00 PM
Sorry Brian, have a nice day.
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Date: 5/23/2017 3:02:00 AM
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones: So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus Hath told you Caesar was ambitious: If it were so, it was a grievous fault; And grievously hath Caesar answer'd it. Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest,-- For Brutus is an honourable man; So are they all, all honorable men,-- Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me: But Brutus says he was ambitious; And Brutus is an honourable man. He hath brought many captives home to Rome, Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
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Date: 5/22/2017 10:04:00 PM
Bath By Amy Lowell___ The day is fresh-washed and fair, and there is a smell of tulips and narcissus in the air. The sunshine pours in at the bath-room window and bores through the water in the bath-tub in lathes and planes of greenish-white. It cleaves the water into flaws like a jewel, and cracks it to bright light. Little spots of sunshine lie on the surface of the water and dance, dance, and their reflections wobble deliciously over the ceiling; a stir of my finger sets them whirring, reeling. I move a foot and the planes of light in the water jar. I lie back and laugh, and let the green-white water, the sun-flawed beryl water, flow over me. The day is almost too bright to bear, the green water covers me from the too bright day. I will lie here awhile and play with the water and the sun spots. The sky is blue and high. A crow flaps by the window, and there is a whiff of tulips and narcissus in the air.
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/23/2017 12:31:00 AM
Classic imagism Cyndi, in structured prose.
Date: 5/22/2017 10:03:00 PM
https://wordsfortheyear.com/2016/09/07/august-by-mary-oliver/ Here is an example of prose poetry, I think, as far as I understand it to be. I've written several, but I'm saving them for a poetry manuscript, so I can't share them on line.
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Date: 5/23/2017 12:17:00 AM
Best wishes with that project Cyndi.Keep us posted with how your endeavours progress.
Date: 5/22/2017 9:57:00 PM
I see 'What is the point'' as free verse, not prose poetry. The short lines, the placement of the breaks, some of the rhymes are places just so thought, forgot/ten, not (nicely done, too!)
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Date: 5/23/2017 12:13:00 AM
Cyndi ,for me , I conclude all as structured 'prose',The beauty is the variety of forms in which they (prose )may be structured
Date: 5/22/2017 9:52:00 PM
I really like three score and ten and how you used the repetition to give that 'absent minded' feel to the piece. I wonder, though, what would happen if you changed the last line. If all through the rest of the poem you spoke of the gradual onset of age.. what if that very last line you contradicted yourself? "Of age, so prematurely creeps up on us all."
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Date: 5/23/2017 12:08:00 AM
Cyndi, this was written from a perspective of age and a certain wistfulness thereof,not easy to understand before you get there.Happily you have some decades before that reality.
Date: 5/22/2017 5:41:00 PM
My update B add my two cents to this most difficult topic
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Date: 5/22/2017 5:11:00 PM
I have added Cyndi's link ,that shows a modern prose poem as an update to my blog
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Date: 5/22/2017 10:43:00 AM
I think what defines prose poetry from prose has changed a lot in recent years. I would not have chosen a Baudelaire poem as his has been translated and some of the intentional poetics may have been lost in that translation, yes? Today's prose poetry relies heavily on figurative language, subtle ambiguity and other devices that scream poetry. The only thing the poet has removed are line/stanza breaks when it is written in paragraph form (not always...but its a trend I've read a thousand times over. I read a lot of poetry!) Like the blog, Brian. Hope you have a good week. Me? I'm officially worn out. Whatta week!!!!!
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/22/2017 2:47:00 PM
That being said, linebreaks are still very much in play in "The truth About Starlight."
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/22/2017 2:45:00 PM
Here's one! if you could copy and paste onto your page, we could examine both, see the similarities and the differences. Though wordy, I think you may like this one, Brian. About music... and I find it haunting. http://www.contemporaryverse2.ca/en/poetry/excerpt/the-truth-about-starlight
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/22/2017 2:29:00 PM
Let me think...
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Brian Strand
Date: 5/22/2017 11:01:00 AM
Cyndi ,That's why you need a nice cold drink in the pub garden! What would you choose for an example in PS form definition,maybe we can get them to change it one originally written in English?

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