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ENIGMA pub night - spin-off

Blog Posted:4/21/2017 4:02:00 AM

This last line from Pound's poem 

Petals, on a wet, black bough."

is something of an enigma to most of us.It is Pound's imagist analogy to the first line ..but 

to what petals did he refer 

and wet ,black bough..to what tree...why wet ?

 

I confess to be both an imagist and a fan of enigma (in all art forms inc poetry, plays and painting) and yet Pound's  enigma conveys no image to me.

It is clearly successful in the sense that over a century later it still provokes (well me at any rate).

?Ruben has ,using his local knowledge, kindly pointed out the trees likely to have been in Pound's mind....but it still leaves 

the general question of the extent that enigma can play as both a poetic and artistic device.?

I have always enjoyed plays that do not end conventionally ,leaving one hanging in the air,letting the imagination rove , with something to think about.Sometimes even the author presents the reader with two ending options

How do you feel about enigma in poetry though ?

Should the poet add footnotes ,as Marianne Moore did on much of her poetry,to 'explain' some aspects ,especially of its inspiration.?

Can too much complicate and dare I say  spoil ?

UPDATE 

http://www.poetry.net/poem/37927 is a link to what has been described and included as one of US best poems ...Wallace Stevens 'Valley Candle' 

What do you make of the enigma therein

and on the otherhand one of my favourite imagist poem ABOVE THE DOCK by the English master therof TE Hume 

Above the quiet dock in midnight,
Tangled in the tall mast's corded height,
Hangs the moon. What seemed so far away
Is but a child's balloon, forgotten after play.
 

 

 

 



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Date: 4/22/2017 9:44:00 AM
'Valley Candle' - The valley is immense, the night is huge - the individual is small compared to the things around them. The candle may be one's existence, or one's perception/awareness/consciousness. The "beams" of the huge night - 'beams" is very important. While a candle flame sends light out in all directions, it's also easy to picture the flickering flame and see the emitted light as discrete, separate rays of yellow and white, going off into the darkness. That is how I take the scene - a dark hemisphere with the candle at the center, issuing out beams of light while the dark beams of the night come in. I think it argues strongly for the candle being the individual's perception. We have the light and the dark, yin and yang, give and take, the outer world and our reflection of it, the burning candle and the night reaching in. Time will end our perception, but upon our death not all our words and works are gone, and other's memories of us remain. With more work, time may end those as well.
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Date: 4/22/2017 6:41:00 AM
my interpretation ...my candle' refers to who we are or have been ...whilst image is the legacy of our life .Both of which remain in memory until both become forgotten in memory ie until the wind blew
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Date: 4/22/2017 6:35:00 AM
Looking at Stevens classic what do you reckon he means by 'my candle' and later 'image' These enigmas have puzzled many since 1917?
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Date: 4/22/2017 4:37:00 AM
Often with me a poem is a visual thing! I suppose my love of art impacts this inclination.The first sight or impression can encourage or discourage.eg I'm not a great lover of long lines.
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Date: 4/22/2017 9:04:00 AM
Many are not fond of "long" poems, per se, either. I think of myself as more of an 'essay' person than a 'twitter tweet' guy, but there may be value in having a poem be short and easily digestible. Nice, in one way, not to have to scroll down to finish.
Date: 4/21/2017 5:48:00 PM
Also in my Blog Update is T E Hume's ABOVE THE DOCK perhaps along with Adelaide Crapsey's American Cinquains one of my favourite true imagist poems 'sans any enigma..all image
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Date: 4/22/2017 1:34:00 AM
Yes ,the image is first ,( as it can be used in longer poetry with great effect) though as with Stevens the enigma will always be a challenge as something to provoke my interest when I re-read as I said below re Vally Candle.
Date: 4/21/2017 5:39:00 PM
Often poems that are very highly rated are also enigmatic ..please see my Blog Update with its link to Stevens 'Valley Candle'
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Date: 4/22/2017 1:28:00 AM
You are right taai, such writing needs time, but that for me is why it is 'good' ,one to re-read again and again
Date: 4/21/2017 4:33:00 PM
One of the fascinating aspects of enigmatic poetry its impact will depend(just as all poetry does) upon how we the reader 'feel' that particular day.ie each reading is in reality is a unique as is moment because of that variable
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Date: 4/21/2017 11:33:00 AM
At first, "Petals, on a wet, black bough." didn't make sense to me. Now it does, though I may have convinced myself of some things along the way. Pound had quite an emotional reaction to a few faces in what I am picturing as the jumble or relatively "murky haze" of a crowded Paris train station. The petals are evidently really standing out against the dark color of the tree limb, probably all the moreso since many things look even darker when they are wet. The wet will dry, the petals will fall off or blow away. They will shrivel and finally vanish. The faces will eventually be gone too - we all are mortal.
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Doug Vinson
Date: 4/22/2017 8:59:00 AM
Cool, Chris - I did not know about Pound seeing the faces reflected in a puddle. I think 'apparition' is indeed the perfect word - used in the context of Pound's poem it instantly brings both the sense of the faces 'appearing' and a feeling of the supernatural.
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Brian Strand
Date: 4/21/2017 4:29:00 PM
Reading Pound's own words it was the 'beauty' of female faces that lingered in his mind. For me his 'petals' is the enigmatic way he retained that image in that 'last line'
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Date: 4/21/2017 11:37:00 AM
For enigma, I think we would all draw the line somewhere; perhaps even on a day-to-day basis, i.e. are we in the mood for puzzles that day or not. In general, no - I want to read a poem and be blown away, not have to work at figuring things out.

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