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Blog Posted by Jc Hawkens: 5/13/2020 8:07:00 PM

*Haiku is both singular and plural. Kerouac’s usage of "s" is unusual.
"He's the only one in the United States who knows how to write haikus… Kerouac thinks in haikus, every time he writes anything—talks that way and thinks that way. So it's just natural for him… He's the only master of the haiku." Interview with Allen Ginsberg, The Paris Review, 37 (Winter, 1966), 52-53.
"The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined to seventeen syllables but since the language structure is different I don't think American Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry about syllables because American speech is something again... bursting to pop. Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free of all poetic trickery and make a little picture and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi Pastorella." Jack Kerouac
Then I'll invent The American Haiku type The simple rhyming triolet:-- Seventeen syllables? No, as I say, American Pops:-- Simple 3-line poems Jack Kerouac - Reading Notes, 1965

I have finally written my first Blog. I was doing a little research about Jack Kerouac. I wanted to see what he was most known. As a writer, he is known for a novel called On The Road. But as a Poet, he is known for his (as he spells it) Haikus. And it is believed that he coined the phrase Beat Generation. The above is an exert from an interview with Allen Ginsberg, another poet, and Kerouac's notes. He wanted to create the American Haiku or also know as the American Pop haiku. I was wondering if some people would like to see more modern Poetry forms (Or an expanded list) in the submission. Like the poetry forms above or say a Ku-Duet, Beat Poetry, etc. If you have a suggestion, I would love to hear them. And if you're entirely against this, then I would like to listen to those expressions as well. As always Blessings fellow souper's JC Hawkens

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Brian
Strand

Date: 5/16/2020 6:58:00 AM

In reality JC,we may conclude 'haiku' is the form in japanese... translations thereof into English and poetic attempts thereof in English ..are unrhymed tercet ie a tristich ...whatever..they remain the most succinct imagist form .. more so in their one line or one word even,...variations.

Jc Hawkens
Date: 5/16/2020 7:45:00 AM

My education in poetry thanks you for this beautiful comment. And I do love the imagism in the haiku. I think Jack was trying to break from the oft-discussed rule of western haiku that it had to be 5/7/5 syllables in a 3 line poem. I have seen the haiku in a single line format and without the 17 syllable restriction. Most of the American Haiku poems I have come across ignore the 17 syllable or 5/7/5 or even the 3/5/3 rule

Jc
Hawkens

Date: 5/16/2020 6:40:00 AM

I apologize for not getting back to my blog earlier for comment. I have been nursing a Migrain for the last week. Unfortunately, when I have one, I am unable to focus. I must say that I love the discussions going on in my first blog. Thank you all for stopping in to comment.

Edward
Ibeh

Date: 5/15/2020 1:13:00 PM

Congrats on your first blog, JC!:-) Haiku sure is a tricky poetry form, as short as it is. It's one of the most misunderstood as well. It gets confused with Senryus(concerning human emotions) a lot. And the fact its written in 2 different ways( 3/5/3 or 5/7/5 syllables) have budding poets scratching their heads. When I first started writing poetry in 2006, I was writing senryus thinking they were haikus, lol. Haiku is strictly about nature, like Constance said. I only write haikus using 5/7/5 syllables.

Jc Hawkens
Date: 5/16/2020 6:37:00 AM

Not that I don't like talking about haiku poetry. Because it's one of my favorites subjects, I only mention it as I didn't see any listing of American Haiku form or even Beat Poetry. Which I guess is a form of free verse but was stylized by the era poets at that time. From my limited understanding that it, meant as a spoken form. As they often did in coffee shops etc. at the time. And like I said, my knowledge of poetry is limited if next to nothing. And perhaps they are listed under a different name. And Beat Poetry may not even be a form but a general reflection of the poetry of that era. And I most welcome all discussion on this as anything, said only helps to further my education in poetry.

Constance
La France

Date: 5/14/2020 5:19:00 PM

JC, congrats on your first blog, I find that writing haiku or haikus is a very sticky subject, everyone has an opinion on how it should be written, and does it matter really, as long as it is haiku like and beautiful and about nature _Constance

Jc Hawkens
Date: 5/16/2020 6:13:00 AM

I agree with you. But as someone who has very little knowledge of poetry but a lot of heart. When researching a place to call home for my poetry. I came across a list of Haiku poems by members on a site I was at. Though one of the poems that I read was not a haiku by the standard definition. It was a lot like my Forgotten Love poem. 4 Stanza's of individual Haiku to make up a larger poem. Someone commented that it was not a Haiku and that they should not call it that. And again I don't want to make this all about Haiku poetry. I simply thought that in my limited knowledge of poetry if we had enough of more modern forms of poetry in the forms. And perhaps we do have a generous amount of more modern forms on the list, and I am just not aware of this, because of my lack of knowledge.

Beto
Riginale

Date: 5/14/2020 1:42:00 PM

Thx JC. I have a copy of "Allen Verbatim" ('74) but he does not say anything about Jack's haiku work tho' Jack is mentioned often. For those interested, there is "Book of Haikus" [penguin] I believe it is all of Jack's haiku(s) ~beto

Jc Hawkens
Date: 5/16/2020 6:04:00 AM

Yeah, This was an interview with a French Publication. I am not sure it's apart of Allen Verbatim, but I will look up Allen's Verbatim. There was a poem By Allen Ginsberg that I was trying to find when I came across his Haiku poetry, Howl. He seems to follow in line with Jack's American Haiku form.

Brian
Strand

Date: 5/14/2020 2:28:00 AM

One tip JC,TPS(aka Mark Pringle)has a policy for inclusion here of 'new' forms ...that evidence is produced from the net that they are already widely used!! A kind of ' circular requirement' imho...just saying..

Jc Hawkens
Date: 5/16/2020 5:48:00 AM

Thank you, Brian, I was not aware of this. And I just want to say that I in no way was criticizing the forms list. I don't know enough about the different types of poetry. I simply came across notes by jack Kerouac about Haiku poetry. I had been noticing that quite a few famous American poets had been using similar Haiku formats. And The Soup only defines the Haiku in the traditional Japanese style with the accepted 5/7/5 rule. Perhaps maybe a addition to the definition with an note about the American Haiku form. Again I only wanted to create a blog that had a discussion narrative to it.

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