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A Door Left Ajar - Follow up


Blog Posted:12/6/2012 6:57:00 AM


a door left ajar

an exit     an entry

signals possibilities


You would not believe how I have agonized over the format of haiku and what is acceptable haiku poetry! I have learned that although Zen philosophy is in essence haiku, I still need to focus on ALL the aspects of what a haiku poem entails. Many thanks to all who had been my teachers, especially Debbie and Charles. Herewith is a reply to a letter which I have found very helpful in my learning process. I hope that it may be of help to other aspiring poets as well. ~ Love, Su 


Dear Suzette,

I apologize for my delay and writing. We are just now beginning to review
the work submitted for the winter issue of Frogpond and your email was
tucked within.

This is such a good question. On examination we have 3 lines and 18 syllables.
Haiku and senryu can be written in 1 to 4 lines and contain 17 or fewer syllables,
though once in awhile an extra syllable is written. (It's best to stay within the
17 or less syllable structure.) So if we are looking at structure alone, this would
appear to be a haiku, although the ellipsis in the middle of the line is unusual.
The caesura is most often set at the end of the first or second lines, but once
in awhile we see deviation.

Now the bigger question is content. Haiku is a poetry of images, suggestion, conciseness,
juxtaposition, and often contains seasonal references, or human references that may or
may not suggest season. Nature images are also a big part of haiku, though not always
necessary. So you see there is quite a bit of leeway.

What haiku should not do is lead the reader or tell the reader how to reason or what to or think. Again,
we rely on the power of suggestion through the images and words we choose. I feel that
what the third line here does is tell the reader what the writer thinks the door left ajar does,
so in that respect, though this looks like a haiku, the content leaves me feeling a distance
between what we are presented with and the true nature of haiku.

I hope this helps settle your dispute with your friend and that you are both inspired to continue to
study, read, and write haiku, as well as longer poetry.

Sincerely,

Francine

Francine Banwarth
Editor, Frogpond



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  1. Date: 12/6/2012 11:17:00 AM
    Although I am learning more and more all the time about acceptable haiku and senryu, I still cannot abandon my personal preference for a little rhyme thrown in. Hugs and Merry Christmas! Catie :)

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 12/6/2012 11:27:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    As long as you are having fun in the process. Merry Christmas & (((HUGS))) ~ Love, Su
  1. Date: 12/6/2012 10:52:00 AM
    back when I knew very little about haiku, I wrote them all the time... now I know more about haiku I rarely attempt them.... I miss the days of ignorance because what I wrote then was fun and enjoyable and pretty, maybe I should rename them all mini-free- verses then I can love them again. Thanks for sharing this informative letter

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 12/6/2012 11:23:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    ...or you could try SUZETTE PRIME :-)
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 12/6/2012 11:24:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Good point, Catie :-)
    Lindsey Avatar Catie Lindsey Date: 12/6/2012 11:15:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I think the Soup should add a form called "Short Verse" for the poems which do not quite meet the criteria of being Haiku or Senryu.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 12/6/2012 11:09:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I know what you mean Francine. I started writing "haiku" a few months ago in honor of a fb friend and her late dad (who's poetry I admire). But, like you say: the more I learn, the less fun I am having. It is a pity that we impose such high standards on ourselves. I dare to push the envelope and maybe - just maybe - I will get it right one day. X
  1. Date: 12/6/2012 9:32:00 AM
    IT IS very helpful, Suzette! Thanks for sharing it. A very concise (and extremely interesting) definition.

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 12/6/2012 11:03:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    You are welcome, Ruben. WE are learning and growing together :-)

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