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You showed shock and dismay when I said....maybe my 50th is when it would happen. I couldn't deal with aging. I couldn't deal with death, yet again. I said how I would plan it...not to leave a mess behind for others to have to clean up. I wouldn't...I couldn't be that cruel. No, I'd borrow a gun from one of my students, go out into the wooded area and say goodbye to life. There would be no body to worry about. That is what bothered me the most...even when wanting the release of death to quiet all the insecurities and to tranquilize the fears forever, one had to worry about the aftermath: the body. Who would find the body? What would they do with it? You showed dismay, consternation, anger. "Don't even think it. How selfish can you be? You're only thinking about yourself. What about those who love you? You'd scar them for life. We would never forgive you." Shock therapy...I'm sure that's what you were going for. I'd heard it all before. "Who is being the selfish one? My loved ones should be happy that I'm no longer suffering. I am tired of sticking around so that others will not fall apart while I am only a collection of shards.Who is being selfish? Should I stick around for the occasional hug, the occasional family gathering, the occasional bursts of joy? I have to live for them, but I'd like to think that I can die for me. Wouldn't you want the best for me?" Before I walked into the airport, you hugged me tight, giving some parting words of advice, as if you knew, as if you really knew what dealing with depression is all about. I hugged you back tight, knowing you'd never understand that what held me back was the pain others would have to bear, but life is so unfair. Why would anyone want to prolong someone's suffering just so that he/she could have peace of mind? Why should I think of everyone else and not myself? We hugged, and I said goodbye, tears streaming from my eyes. Sometimes...one just simply wants to die. Eileen Manassian This is a true incident that happened to me two days ago. My cousins were driving my brother and I back to the airport. We had gone to Germany to attend my uncle's funeral. The emotional intensity of it all tore at my heart. I'm tired of hearing of another life extinguished. I'm tired of goodbyes. I lost my mother 17 years ago to MS. My older uncles have passed away, and I can't help but think of my father, now 81. I can't bear it to see him getting fragile and old. My heart is growing cold. I'm tired of trying to be Ok. I've often thought of ending it all. When people posts poems about suicide and they are harsh on the one who opted for an "easy" out, it digs at my soul. Sometimes we need to realize that the one who opts to go is no longer able to handle the pain. They aren't being selfish. We are being selfish if we want to keep them trapped in misery wanting to break free. Of course, there are moral aspects involved. God never intended for someone to end his/her own life. However, when someone gets to that point, I think that his/her mental capacities have been compromised and accountability for action becomes a difficult thing to ascertain. However, God is wise. Above all else, God is merciful. He remembers our frame, He knows we are dust...Let's leave the judgement to Him.

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Date: 5/29/2017 7:43:00 AM
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Date: 5/13/2017 10:31:00 AM
This double-edged sword is not easy to handle, Eileen. I have experienced these feelings by being in contact with people who have suffered a constant battle and keep on resisting...two others took the fatal step of no return. Who am I to judge! I hope you are feeling better...hugs // paul
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Date: 5/7/2017 3:08:00 AM
I applaud your honesty. I suffer from debilitating depression, and I have tried to take my life in the past on many occasions. It is not something that is discussed often. Although I am not quiet about this, I always hesitate to write about it, on Soup, either in poems, or in comments. But for this time I will make an exception. Suidcide is NOT selfish, it is a wish to not feel that pain anymore, whatever pain is involved. Thank you SO much for writing this, and I (((HUG))) you.
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Date: 5/7/2017 12:42:00 AM
Gosh, Eileen, I don't know what to say. My hubbie has had these urges with his depression, but it's not a thing I struggle with personally. I would never judge others by what they did in such a situation. I think God will be merciful as well. but I still hope you will be able to find the help you need and stick around with us for a long long time. Life is precious. Last year I got a scare and I just want to live as long as I can! Very good writing too, dear. (the form I wrote in I invented it!)
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Date: 5/6/2017 3:40:00 PM
You are on heck of a brave lady to share this emotional honest write with us Eileen - wish i could be there to give you a massive hug and say I understand - its not easy losing those you love and knowing that one day you may deteriorate or suffer from illness. Thinking of you my friend I know your grief is raw and your heart is heavy at the moment:-( hugs Jan xx
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Date: 5/6/2017 11:41:00 AM
Back to drop off some love. Incredible dialogue Eileen. A big thank you and bless you. Hugs mo
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/6/2017 11:43:00 AM
Hugs are ALWAYS welcome, dear. :) We are very huggy in my family. Thanks, I'm doing much better.
Date: 5/6/2017 8:23:00 AM
This piece has created some good dialogue. Hugs Eileen.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/6/2017 9:46:00 AM
Yes, you are right. I hope it has been beneficial. Hugs
Date: 5/6/2017 3:41:00 AM
Often there are causes like hormonal imbalance or chemical imbalances that tend to be genetic. I can relate to this poignant piece Eileen. You expressed with tender understanding that kind of pain. Sorry for your loss and I wish you blessings, love, Connie 7
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Richard Lamoureux
Date: 5/6/2017 10:14:00 AM
Hi Connie, I don't know why my comment appeared here. This was a comment I wrote to Eileen a few days ago. I guess there is a ghost in the machine.
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Richard Lamoureux
Date: 5/6/2017 9:59:00 AM
Sharing a perspective doesn't make it right.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/6/2017 9:47:00 AM
Yes, dear. I believe the the explanation you have given for depression. Thank you for your compassionate reply. I'm doing better. Hugs
Date: 5/5/2017 8:33:00 AM
When I turned 46, I felt a new weight on my shoulders. My mother suicided on her 45th birthday. Every year that is a year longer than my mother lived is filled with a kind of dual-life. I feel like I must live for two people, that each year since I turned 45 must contain not only significant personal growth, but also MEANING. (I'm probably making no sense.) I have to do more, be better, try harder for both of us (?)
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/6/2017 10:13:00 AM
You make perfect sense to me. I understand this dual-life concept. I mention to my daughter that if anything were to happen to me, I'd want her to go on and thrive. In a way, you honor her by doing that and I'm sure she'd be very proud of you. Hugs
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/5/2017 8:37:00 AM
This is YOUR story, your pain, and I don't want to write too much here. I would never call pain selfish. But I do want you to know that those left behind never fully recover. I am not the person I was before I lost my mother. I still love her. I still miss her. But I better understand her pain. And I know she had no intention of leaving behind a lifetime of agony for her children.
Date: 5/5/2017 8:14:00 AM
After all these years, I've finally not only forgiven my mother for suiciding, I've also gotten to a place where I can understand her despondency and feelings of hopelessness. Despair can hit anyone at anytime, and depression is neither selfish nor a choice. You've said this so well in your piece, Eileen. Though you are writing about feeling weak, helpless, the narrative is strong and unflinching in its approach. I'm glad I stopped by THIS page. It is hard to lose family. Big Hug, Cyndi
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/6/2017 10:08:00 AM
Then again....maybe that is just wistful thinking on my part. Be that as it may, it is good to air these feelings and to find some sort of temporary reprieve.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/6/2017 10:07:00 AM
I'm glad you got the help you needed to deal with survivors guilt, Cyndi. I won't even pretend to know the pain you suffered because of your mom's decision to end her life. It seems that you have been able to process the emotions and have come to see that at times, the person sees no other solution. No one would ever want to inflict pain on loved ones on purpose. I've had discussions with my daughter on this...and I like to think that were it to ever happen, she would be able to feel some degree of comfort that I'm no longer in pain
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Cyndi Macmillan
Date: 5/5/2017 8:23:00 AM
I have been diagnosed with something called 'Survivors Guilt.' Though I can use reason and tell myself, being alive is not something to feel guilty for, my emotions don't believe it. The guilt swallowed me a few years back. Counseling helped me.
Date: 5/4/2017 8:13:00 AM
I have gone through depression and was off work as a result of it. As for the analogy the odds of your daughter suffering depression it is very high due to genetic predisposition. She may feel a need to insulate loved ones and present a perfect picture. Sometimes people suffer silently. I pray that is not true. Share this post and hear her perspective.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 8:24:00 AM
I'm sorry to hear you've gone through depression. I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing. My daughter knows about...a previous incident that I shared. Of course...she would never want me to go through with it, but...I do think...she would understand. I would hope that she would find comfort in knowing that there is no more pain. However, as I said earlier...people who do go through with it have reached a point where rational thought is impossible. God knows how to hold them accountable...
Date: 5/4/2017 7:52:00 AM
I don't feel you should delete the conversation. I think shining light on it is important.
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Richard Lamoureux
Date: 5/4/2017 8:14:00 AM
Sharing a perspective doesn't make it right.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 7:59:00 AM
I'm sure you read some of the posts of others who share my feelings, Richard. Sympathy is one thing...empathy is another. Only a person who has gone through depression knows how harrowing it is.
Date: 5/4/2017 7:42:00 AM
I am going to pose a difficult question. What if your daughter had written and posted this letter? How would you have responded to it? If she believed that you would be better off without her would that make it true? The scars left by suicide are unimaginable. I feel for the pain you and others go through still there is a selfishness to the act.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 8:11:00 AM
Selfishness....is still a very heavy word to use, Richard. Living through misery just so others will not have the discomfort of loss doesn't seem fair to me. I'm not condoning it ...I'm just saying I understand what leads to it...
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 8:08:00 AM
Of course I have days or sheer brilliance...of course I have days of sheer delight...but the down days are difficult. There are many things that can lead to depression, Rick. The death of a loved one is one...the loss of something valuable is another. These can be dealt with in time, but if there is a deeper cause...something that there is no solution for...depression can become prolonged and that is the dangerous kind. Anyway...
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 8:02:00 AM
The analogy falls short, Richard. My daughter doesn't deal with depression, so of course....I'd be devastated if she wrote something like this. Sure...I would wonder why...why would she do such a thing. However, when you are at times incapacitated...when you know that your family worries about you...when you feel like you are bringing others down...you are prone to think the kind of thoughts I've posed here.
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Richard Lamoureux
Date: 5/4/2017 7:51:00 AM
A good experiment would be to have the courage to ask the people that you feel would be better off without you what they think. Then you would really be thinking of them. That would be the opposite of selfish. I'm sorry, I can't believe the underlying anger I feel as a result of this post. In you being honest I feel I must be honest as well.
Date: 5/4/2017 3:32:00 AM
- Dear Eileen, a really sad poem ... but a very honest writing - The most important thing to know is that depression can be treated, you do not have to suffer! - But unlike many other diseases, we do not really know so much about what causes the problem - Hope you feel better today, my friend :) - hugs and love // Anne-Lise :)
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 8:21:00 AM
Yes, dear Sunshine. I am getting some help....medication. It would be good to talk to someone as well. Thanks for your lovely visit. I'm doing a bit better. It was a difficult weekend...Blessings
Date: 5/3/2017 10:01:00 PM
Dropping by to check on you. Hugs Rick.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:04:00 AM
I'm better, thanks. I didn't mean to get you worried, Rick. However, I don't think I should shy away from writing about these things. They are real struggles. I also worried about how it would influence those who may be on the brink. I may delete the poem...after I've answered everyone. Hugs
Date: 5/3/2017 9:06:00 PM
Hugs, I wrote a poem for you :)
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:08:00 AM
I will treasure it always. Into my fav poet file to read over...please, don't ever delete it. I won't forgive you. Hugs....and thanks!!!
Date: 5/3/2017 2:29:00 PM
I'm so very sorry for your deep depression and hurt, Eileen. I have also felt the darkness of depression, and actually take medication for it (which really helps me). However, I now see, as a Christian, that these thoughts directly stem from the enemy, satan, who wants to destroy our lives. Do not listen to his lies, and know, as a Christian, you can overcome with the power of Christ. I will keep you in my prayers, dear one!
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:14:00 AM
It's at times hardest to discuss these things with fellow believers, Rick and Laura...some see it as a lack of faith or a lack of connection to Christ. Perhaps there is some truth in that. I know that when I'm in a LIVING relationship with Christ, I'm better able to cope, but that doesn't solve the physiological aspect of depression, which has to do with the malfunction of the neurotransmitters in the brain. We need to be aware of this as well.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:12:00 AM
Thank you, Laura. I'm on medication too. It's been seven years now. I have my good days and my bad days where a cloud settles on everything and I just can't seem to peer through it. I've lost a mother, and I can't bear to think about losing my father, though I know death is but a sleep. You are right, I must come close to Jesus who is the source of comfort. Thank you for your love and for reminding me that "I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength."
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Richard Lamoureux
Date: 5/3/2017 10:02:00 PM
Yes Christians experience depression too. It is important that we talk about it. I have added my prayer.
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Laura Leiser
Date: 5/3/2017 2:31:00 PM
Plus, regular prayer and fellowship with other believers is really key to getting outside of the tyranny of dark thoughts. Hugs from Laura
Date: 5/3/2017 9:41:00 AM
I wish I had some profoundly beautiful comment to give to you Eileen. I don't. All I have to offer are my poems. You've read many of them, for which I am grateful, and perhaps have seen my own struggles. I have found throughout my life after a dark poem a beautiful one always follows. I guess that's why I'm still around. For what it's worth, please know I understand.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:16:00 AM
Thank you, James. I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond earlier. Sometimes I just get in this place where communication gets difficult for me. I want you to know that you don't have to think of beautiful comments, for the most beautiful thing is the sentiment behind the comment. I feel the genuineness of your concern, and I am touched by it. Thank you...
Date: 5/3/2017 7:33:00 AM
This breaks my heart to read. If you think of times years ago when you were in this frame of mind and then think of all the amazing experiences you have had since then. Those moments have enriched your life and have created important memories for friends and family. You would have robbed them and yourself.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:20:00 AM
Those who reach this point genuinely believe that their loved ones will be better off without them. They don't do it out of selfish reasons...That's not fair. They have selflessly born the pain for so long to make others able to cope, but...it's not fair. I'm not encouraging anyone to take this route, I'm just saying...I understand why because I've been there.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:20:00 AM
I'll delete...if you think it best.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:18:00 AM
Richard, I don't mean to bring you pain...It's just that...I feel for those who do want to end things because it just all seems pointless sometimes. You see the pain and heartache...the violence...the lack of understanding....the critical stance of the world towards people who are...different. It's a lot to take in.
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Laura Leiser
Date: 5/3/2017 3:08:00 PM
Good point, Richard. Praying Eileen will get past this moment soon!
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Richard Lamoureux
Date: 5/3/2017 7:39:00 AM
The danger in writing a piece like this is that other fragile ones who read it might view this as justification for making their decision. I know it took courage to be so honest yet I'm not sure exactly how to process it. It leaves me feeling both sad and helpless.
Date: 5/2/2017 9:07:00 PM
I admire your courage for posting this thought provoking write, Eileen! I am not religious in a conventional manner, but I do believe in a source from which we all evolved! In my life, I have had 5 friends take their own life, and being bipolar have often thought about it too! But I could never see it through! And you are right, it is not a selfish act at all! It is a personal choice I believe, and not to be taken lightly! Life is a gift after all.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:23:00 AM
I don't seem to be able to see it through, either, dear. Life is a precious gift and there are days when I can't soak it all in fast enough. I think I need to have some blood tests done because I'm very fatigued of late, and that doesn't help with the depression. Thanks for being open and honest here. It's good to know of others who also struggle and survive. Hugs
Date: 5/2/2017 3:17:00 PM
Shukran kteer. mahsalamah. Shalom, shalom in Christ Jesus, who KNOWS suffering, and specifically your heart's cry. You also know you have admirers here, who love you and respect your writing and tough character. WE LOVE YOU & your national aspirations -all of them. Armenians deserve an apology from Turkey, for a start. In Jesus' NAME
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:28:00 AM
Thank you, Anil. Your greetings in all these languages is heartwarming to read. I accept the love you and all my friends here offer with a warm heart. Yes, Christ knows...and he understands...and he loves. I have no doubts about that. The cause of the Armenians will be one that I will speak of till my dying day so that their deaths would not be in vain. Blessings.
Date: 5/2/2017 3:05:00 PM
eileen, i applaud you for writing this...it drives me bonkers when people say suicide is selfish - i've had many a heated discussion - it's usually said by people who have no personal experience of living with severe depression...in january a relative of mine took his own life, he was only 35, and suffered from crippling anxiety and depression...unfortunately it runs in my mother's side of the family, and i have my own struggles with it...depression can be a killer...
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:32:00 AM
Yes, dear....it can be a killer. You have first hand knowledge and you know how debilitating it can be at times. It's hard to want to go on at times...No, people don't understand what goes on in the mind of someone on the edge. Wish that they did. I'm sorry to hear of your relative, dear. I hope that the relatives find comfort in knowing that he is no longer suffering. Sending hugs, Charlotte. I speak and write because I'm frustrated with the lack of understanding.
Date: 5/2/2017 1:52:00 PM
Eileen you have shared a deep emotion that many have felt, a sense of helplessnes, after my baby and then my husband died, I wanted to also but inside there was something saying no. One prayer i heard often while in nursing, Lord take me tonight
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:34:00 AM
My dear Broken Wings...I'm so so sorry to know of your deep loss. That would seem too much for anyone to bear. I'm so glad that you listened to the inner voice that encouraged you to go on. I admire your strength. May God continue to strengthen and uphold you. Your message of survival is a great encouragement. Blessings
Date: 5/2/2017 11:15:00 AM
i admire your honesty in writing about such a personal issue, eileen and i do understand what you are saying (as much as i can do so without experiencing the type of depression you're describing). i do not think that most people choose suicide lightly and it's very sad that they could not find another way out but i do not think it is the "easy" way out at all. my heart goes out to you and i hope you feel better soon...
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:35:00 AM
Thanks, dear Ilene. I'm better. It was a very emotional time for me and the family. Being faced with the fragility of life...YET AGAIN...is hard to bear. Seeing my father struggle with age related issues also gets to me. Perhaps I must stop focusing on the what ifs and try to enjoy the moment. Hugs, dear one. Thanks for reaching out.
Date: 5/2/2017 11:09:00 AM
I hear you Eileen. No one can really inhabit the pain in someone else's mind and therefore ought not to judge. When my mother told me of plans to kill herself I understood and did not disagree but listened quietly. To myself I said "well you would no longer be in pain", however horrified. Hugs mo.
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Eileen Manassian
Date: 5/4/2017 12:38:00 AM
I'm sorry that you had to deal with someone so close to you dealing with this Maureen. I don't know what to write that would be meaningful; however, your understanding is crucial here. I'm sure she appreciated that. Sometimes the need to talk about it is strong...if only to make others aware that you are really struggling. Thanks for your kknd comment, dear. I'm better now...Hugs
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