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Cyndi MacMillan lives in a small town in Ontario that is home to North America’s largest working waterwheel. Her writing has appeared in notable Canadian literary journals and local newspapers. 

A Cruel Light is her debut gothic mystery (4/4/2023). She has been a Jill-of-all-trades, but for as long as she can remember, she has dreamt of being a novelist.  Hard work and the wonderful team at Crooked Lane Books have made that dream a reality.  Please note that her husband and daughter kindly keep her coffee mug filled when she is wrestling with a suspenseful chapter.   During a pandemic lockdown, the family adopted a rescue cat who chirps. 

When not writing, Cyndi enjoys reading Gothics, scrapbooking, and losing horribly at board games.  Works-in-progress include the second (and third) Annora Garde Mystery, a Canadian noir series, and a standalone horror mystery, so more often than not, Cyndi is writing.  She is a member of Crime Writers of Canada.

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PUNK TUATION IN POETRY

Blog Posted:9/4/2014 9:39:00 PM

 

Since we have been taking a closer look at the role of punctuation in poetry, I thought I’d share a few poems so we can study individual style.

Punctuation does not NEED to follow grammar rules. Good poetry CAN follow grammar rules, though perhaps not to the very letter. Remember Kramer? Would you really want a poem to sound that pretentious?

A poet can learn the true weight of a period and the force of an exclamation.

A poet can also learn that punctuation can weaken a poem, make it less intense.

Great poets, I believe, use punctuation with intent. Was that question mark really necessary or did it just slow the read?

I have read wonderful poetry that did not use even one – even ONE – comma.

I have read wonderful poetry that used commas in odd places, allowed everything to dangle in wonderful fragments. For thoughts can be fragmented. And poetry is (to me) the love child of thought and emotion, as sharp as birth, sex or death.

 So, take a gander.

I intentionally included the bios for these poets.

I figure if THESE people know what they are doing, then I think that I should  try to look at poetry through their eyes.

I think the view is spectacular.

xoxox

Cyndi

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The following poems have been posted on this blog for educational purposes only.

 

And this is the letter

By Adeena Karasick

From:    Contemporary Verse 2. Vol. 21 No. 4 (Winnipeg, Spring 1999).

 

 And this is the letter that will not leave.

 That I cannot write. This is the letter. The letter

 that falls in its carrying. In the killing of

 its crushing, its clinging

 in its excesses and its masks. This

 is the letter which lifts up and

 travels from one word to another

 grimaces in the torment of its

 hardening. In its emptiness. In its own

 contamination. This

 is the letter buried without madness. Drowning in

 its own inexplicable cry. And this is the letter, the

 interletter

 that does not write. Does not speak but in

 nightmares. In the death of its enunciation which

 rises, swells in

 indefatiguable profusion. Renders its

 presence in immediacy and madness. In hysterical

 desire.

 This letter of letters of doors, thresholds,

 capacities, amplitudes, omissions and promises.

 Depths and pleasures. That trembles with tension.

 Stretched / in its torments of

 glyphs, glas gloss / glassary rasp lisps

 in its missing . In its

 hiddeness and limits. In scattered separations

 mocks in anxiety. In foreigness and deception

 swells

 into the letter this letter

 sung in its horror, anger, agon. Suffers

 in substitution, redistribution and bears the

 unbearable, irrepressibly posited in

 hunger and withdrawal. In staggered familiarity,

 desire and exchange;

 the letter of the letter that witnesses

 and withstands its usage.

Bio

Adeena Karasick earned an MA in Semiotics at York University, and a Ph.D from Concordia University focusing on the intersection between deconstructionist and Kabbalistic hermeneutics. She is internationally recognized for her intellectual leadership in the discipline of poetics and theory, and the intersection between divergent modes of communication. Her scholarship has focused on the development of meaning, with special attention to the work of Marshall McLuhan, Derrida and L-A=N=G=U=A-G=E theorists; on the historical relationship between modes of communication and sociocultural phenomena; on the impact of new technologies and media on language practice; on popular culture phenomena including television, film, feminism, Conceptual Art and Kabbalah.

Adeena Karasick is also an internationally recognized poet and media-artist and author of seven books of poetry and poetic theory, most recently, This Poem, (Talonbooks, 2012) as well as 4 videopoems regularly showcased at Film Festivals worldwide. All her work is marked with an urban, feminist aesthetic that continually challenges linguistic habits and normative modes of meaning production. Engaged with the art of combination and turbulence of thought, it is a testament to the creative and regenerative power of language and its infinite possibilities for pushing meaning to the limits of its semantic boundaries.

 

Her writing has been described as "electricity in language" (Nicole

Brossard), "plural, cascading, exuberant in its cross-fertilization of punning and knowing, theatre and theory" (Charles Bernstein) "a tour de force of linguistic doublespeak" (Globe and Mail) and "opens up the possibilities of reading" (Vancouver Courier).

 

Adeena Karasick is co-founding director (Minister of Semiotic Turbulence) for KLEZKANADA Poetry Festival: Three Millennia of Poetic Subversion and an active member in a number of organizations, including Modern Language Association,

International Association of Canadian Studies, The League of Canadian Poets, St. Mark’s Poetry Project, The Writers’ Union of Canada, and the Poetry Association of America.

 

Among the honors she has received are: The Canada Council for the Arts, Spoken Word and Storytelling Award, 2011, Award for Professional Writers for This Poem, 2010; Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade Award, 2009, Best Book of 2009 for Amuse Bouche, MPS Mobile Award, 2008, Exuberance is Beauty Award from AboutBooks for Amuse Bouche, Dorothy Livesay Book Award, for Memewars, as well as a Canada Council for the Arts Travel Award for both the Banff Centre for the Arts and European Russian performance tour.

 

the dogs

Joe Blades

From:   River Suite. Toronto: Insomniac Press, 1998.

 

the dogs are restless

straining at their leashes

their chains

their domesticated masters

 

in mosquito and dryfly night

fireflies flash their here i am

in grass alongside this endless river

dogs pulling people along both shores

 

the dogs know me

and my living in the approach

of darkness—i am always here

sitting and watching this world

 

the steel blue-black river

breaks white with a leaping salmon

the air smells bladesian

with lightning from beyond

 

river stipples with scattered raindrops

the dogs sniff me out

but do not lift their legs

to claim this bench

 

the dogs read over my shoulder

as i try writing tonight

they thrust their heads in my hands

the dogs already own me

 

Joe Blades has been giving readings and publishing his poetry for over a quarter century. He is a writer, visual artist, and publisher-president of the independent, literary publishing house Broken Jaw Press Inc. founded by him in 1984, plus he is on the editorial board of ellipse magazine.

His poetry and art has appeared in over 50 trade and chapbook anthologies, and in numerous periodicals. Blades has authored 30 poetry chapbooks and limited editon artist books. His seven full-length poetry books are Cover Makes a Set (SpareTime Editions, 1990), River Suite (Insomniac Press, 1998), Open Road West (Broken Jaw Press, 2000, 2001), and Casemate Poems (Widows & Orphans, 2004), from the book that doesn't close (Broken Jaw Press, 2008), Prison Songs and Storefront Poetry (Ekstasis Editions, 2010), and Casemate Poems (Collected) (Chaudiere Books, 2011). Serbian translations of River Suite (Recna Svita) and Casemate Poems (Pesme iz kazamata) were published in 2005 and several other book translations into Serbian and Spanish are in the works.

 

 

 

Susan McMaster

From:    Uncommon Prayer. Kingson, Ontario: Quarry Press, 1998.

Pavane

 

We have no choice but to see our friends

 through these last pavanes,

 no special claim is needed now

 to bid us stand by the pattern's edge

 bringing our wallflowers

 to deck the gates, mark the days

 music of eyes, voice, hands

 that clasp and release

 to a fervent beat, echo, mock

 the now-stilled pound

 of pulse and feet—

 

 for moments more

 your eyes still follow

 my turn and return

 measured pace

 around your last bright

 metal jewels

 plastic beads of

 water, air

 

 I beat out steps

 on the ward's hollow floor

 

 you are dancing

 to the sound

 

Susan McMaster (born 1950) is a Canadian poet, literary editor, spoken word/performance poet, and 2011-12 President of the League of Canadian Poets. She lives in Ottawa, Ontario.

Her recent poetry books are Paper Affair: Poems Selected and New (Black Moss 2010), Pith & Wry: Canadian Poetry (Scrivener Press 2010), and Crossing Arcs: Alzheimer's, My Mother, and Me (Black Moss 2010), which was a finalist for the 2010 Acorn-Plantos People's Poetry Prize, the 2010 Ottawa Book Awards, and the 2010 Archibald Lampman Poetry Prize. She is the author of several wordmusic collections, performance poetry recordings, and scripts; has edited poetry anthologies and series; and was the founding editor of the national feminist and art magazine Branching Out

 

And from me,

 

I COMES BEFORE

 

 

11:00 PM

 

Heads bowed over grammar.

Two, corked and uncooled.

Ceiling fan, a poor chaperone.

 

Distractions: dim clock, unset,

pulsing by his bed, unmade;

 

her perfect mouth, closed and close;

the dorm room’s corners tighten

around coarse cologne

and lipgloss;

 

lust

 

and eye contact –

there, the flash of  invitation –

a question – answers - study

in deviations –  such cocky dashes – 

 

11:32 PM

Kiss quickening, now

a, lick, so like

a comma, dipping down,

slicking, rules, dis,cover,ing

a few shy, exceptions, 

and the       textbook,

that sullen textbook,

floored in the dust,

forgotten as their Tees,

get, off,

 

and that tongue, those nip-pulls,

 

and, that tongue, that tongue, reaching,

for, velvet open, ings,

skin and, lace, damp, en, in,g,

 

 

MIDNIGHT

They find freckles, 

so like ellipses upon pale thighs

and they long keep the Latin in English

hips meeting for

 

a second cresting

 

(Lives later, 

one dreams of lost fragments

while the other recalls

sweet and salty clauses, a passing grade,

and that slow fan at last cooling them)

 

 



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Date: 9/8/2014 12:10:00 PM
Very helpful. Thanks so much for the helpful advice.
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Date: 9/6/2014 9:01:00 AM
Like your blogs very educational...:)
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Date: 9/5/2014 12:52:00 PM
Sometimes a lack of punctuation can create confusion. One poet wrote Ill instead of I'll. Another wrote youre instead of you're. If lack of punctuation changes the meaning of the word or results in a misspelling, then I feel it is necessary. However, I believe periods or commas at the ends of lines should be optional, just as capitalization at the start of a line is the poet's choice.
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Date: 9/5/2014 11:29:00 AM
Good examples ...I will have to come back to examine them more throughly later..Sara
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Date: 9/5/2014 8:27:00 AM
One thought not expressed is the way that space in poetry can replace punctuation (when properly used). Line breaks in particular, but also indents and paragraph breaks. The effects vary, and can introduce weirdness without value when misused.
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Date: 9/5/2014 5:38:00 AM
punk tuItion in poetry!! I like your example of creative punctuation...yes, know the rules of punctuation but don't be a slave to them...punctuation can be more creative and flexible in poetry than in other forms of writing, but I agree somewhat with andrea that bad punctuation can weaken or even ruin a poem
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Date: 9/5/2014 12:18:00 AM
Cyndi! Yours is the BEST one! :) I will post my comment on your poem that you posted here because it just blew me away. NOW...the first one....Over my head. I liked the beginning and then it just went too long and the punctuation as weird, and I lost the thought. I'm a dunce. Impressed by her accomplishments though! Second one: content understood, but I had to go over bits because his thoughts were all over the place. You wonder...has he finished a though here or is this a continuation or what? and i- Really? Ok, I tell my students NEVER to do that. That is not formal academic writing practice. YES, in poetry ok, but...I don't like it. Last one...best out of the three high and mighty!
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Date: 9/5/2014 12:21:00 AM
Oh...read it again. SO SO luscious and sweet! Ok ..damp, in, n,g. Like the damp IN...OH! Is that to make me think of OH! I get it! I thought it was overkill, but...if you are alluding to what I think you are...an abbreviation of the act. SPOT ON! OH dear! I must be careful. Thanks for taking the challenge we talked about on my latest blog, Cyndi! You proved your point!
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Date: 9/5/2014 12:21:00 AM
My comment on your poem: OH...OH...OH!!!!! Cyndi! I am CONVINCED! Oh girl....that comma...had me....going! :) I understand. I see. I believe. Can I do it? I mean the punctuation game? I don't think so. You are the master! Guess what? This goes in my fav. Hats off to you. You ROCKED this. SO DELICIOUSLY SWEET! That was one study hour. My favorite part? they long keep the Latin in English hips meeting for second cresting! Also, the post script. I'm a believer now! Dis, cover, ing beauty in this!
Date: 9/4/2014 10:16:00 PM
I skimmed through them, and it is obvious they are good writers. Good writers already know the rules, so they can do what they want. They are THAT good and they have the ability to make their thoughts clear whether using punctuation or not. My only problem is with those that don't know how to punctuate correctly, so they have periods where commas should be and vice versa, and their poetry is a mess for it, or conversely, people who NEED to punctuate because their line breaks are a mess or their sentences are running on and on, and we don't know the beginning from the ending of each of their thoughts!!
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Date: 9/5/2014 12:22:00 AM
I totally agree with you, Andrea!

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