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The Difference between correctly identifying poetry forms and incorrect information


Blog Posted:3/18/2013 12:43:00 AM

Good day TPS and all PoetrySoup members


My A - Z Affairs


All my energy went into pleasing the other,
belatedly I’ve realized he didn’t bother.
Cosier prospects have lured him from afar.
Doors miraculously opened and left ajar,
empowering me to hold my head high,
for now I’m fending for myself and fly.
Going wherever I pleased, whenever,
holding council with the artistic, clever.
“Intellectually challenged” his badge;
Joker and the jester: general adage.
Kindness has been bestowed on me.
Love and compassion had set me free.
Meeting you – my perfect match,
never thinking of myself as a catch.
Over the moon I was the day we met,
perhaps a bit apprehensive and did fret.
Questioning – understandably on my guard;
responding to you, my heart no longer hard.
Softly spoken and a perfect gentleman.
Tears are not the prerogative of woman.
Unconditional love offered from the onset,
vowing to cherish and honour – future set.
Wedding bells soon rang; custom never fail.
Xebec restored and ready for pleasure sail:
You’ve the ability to amaze, do not scoff.
Zeal, on your part, finally had paid off.

© 2012 Suzette Crous

Alternating --- Zanies

Alternating between clearly defined empirical facts gleaning honour, it jars, knells; leaving me no option, parse, questioning reasonable semantics to understand various world xeroxing, yearly, zanies.

© 2013 Suzette Crous

ABECEDARIAN/ Abecedarium & ABC


The abecedarian is an ancient poetic form guided by alphabetical order. Generally each line or stanza begins with the first letter of the alphabet and is followed by the successive letter, until the final letter is reached, thus using the whole alphabet. It also must be written about only one topic. The earliest examples are Semitic and often found in religious Hebrew poetry. The form was frequently used in ancient cultures for sacred compositions, such as prayers, hymns, and psalms. There are numerous examples of abecedarians in the Hebrew Bible; one of the most highly regarded is Psalm 118 (or 119 by King James numbering). It consists of twenty-two eight-line stanzas, one for each letter of the Hebrew alphabet.


Abecedarian poems are now most commonly used as mnemonic devices and word games for children. The “A for apple, B for ball, etc” is the over simplified form of an abecedarian poem. An abecedarian poem is similar to the ABC poem, but uses all the letters in the alphabet. It starts with "A" and works all the way down to "Z".


Per the definition here on PoetrySoup of ABC poetry form:

“Poetry in which every word begins with a successive letter of the alphabet. The first word begins with A, the second with B, etc. OR A poem that has 5 lines that create a mood, picture, or feeling. Lines 1 through 4 are made up of words, phrases or clauses - and the first word of each line is in alphabetical order from the first word. Line 5 is one sentence, beginning with any letter.”


THIS SEEMS TO CONCUR WITH THE ABOVE:


ABC Poems: Definition and Examples
An ABC poem is a type of poem that has five lines that create a mood, picture, or evokes feelings. These poems are five lines long. The words at the beginning of lines 1 through 4 are in alphabetical order and are made up of words, phrases or clauses. Line 5 is one sentence long and begins with any letter.


http://loi-renee.hubpages.com/hub/ABC-Poems-Definitions-and-Examples


This seems to be in contradiction to....


Definition of ABC poem: (From the internet)
An ABC poem has a series of lines that create a mood, picture, or feeling. Lines are made up of words and phrases. The first word of line 1 begins with an A, the first word of line 2 begins with a B etc.
Example of ABC poem - author unknown

Example:
A lthough things are not perfect
B ecause of trial or pain
C ontinue in thanksgiving
D o not begin to blame
E ven when the times are hard
F ierce winds are bound to blow


http://www.poeticterminology.net/01-abc-poem.htm


TANKA/KYOKA


swift terns

tumbling in the sky

celebrating

joy in sharing

the spirit of freedom


© 2013 Suzette Crous


NB The 21 syllable count favoured by the new movement in writing western tanka - this is more true to the on in Japanese tanka. ~ Su


waste overflowing
     wilted rose buds, last night’s meal
rotten      discarded
     choices we’ve made yesterday
          the stench unmistakable

© 2012 Suzette Crous

Kyoka is to the tanka what senryû is to the haiku ~ Su

Definition of tanka per PoetrySoup:
"A Japanese poem of five lines, the first and third composed of five syllables and the others seven. In Japanese, tanka is often written in one straight line, but in English and other languages, we usually divide the lines into the five syllabic units: 5-7-5-7-7."

Example (per PoetrySoup):

Saying Goodbye

Carefully I walk
Trying so hard to be brave
They all see my fear
Dark glasses cover their eyes
As mine flow over with tears

Author unknown

Am I the only one cringing at the rhyme? Tanka (singular as wells as plural) do not allow rhyme. The mere fact that it includes rhyme, places it in the classification of being kyoka. Then there is the issue of the capital letters at the start of each line and it has a title!!!! which could not be construed as a headnote in your wildest dreams. Do I need to say anymore? ~Su


More on kyoka: http://kujakupoet.blogspot.com/2006/06/kyoka-vs-tanka-examples_08.html


Here is a website which has a FRESH NEW LOOK at TANKA. Many of the websites on the Internet appear to be verbatim copies of one another and they perpetuate urban legends regarding this noble art.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Example_of_tanka


***


By these few examples above, I have endeavoured to illustrate the shortcomings of the existing poetry form definitions and the often misleading information and examples found here on PoetrySoup.


If you take writing poetry seriously, as I do, and would like to have your poems correctly identified – which has an indirect impact on an Internet search for a particular poetry form – then I urge you to put pen to paper and write to TPS THIS WEEK and ask for a complete revision of the poetry forms listed and a more updated list of poetry forms. This matter, also, has an impact on the contests on PS as contestants are often confused by the conflicting information.


Thank you for your assistance in this matter. ~ Su








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  1. Date: 3/20/2013 11:05:00 PM
    WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND? Please read the following in the threat below: "Cyndi, we are not talking about moderating categories - only FORMS. We are referring to making sure poems are under the correct form. Two different things. AND Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 10:52:00 AM Obviously we wouldn't touch a poem that can be placed in one of many forms. However, if something is, for instance, clearly a Couplet and is placed in the Haiku form; we'd change it." Sapere aude! ~ Su

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/21/2013 7:55:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    lol... see my protest poem - an ABC. The only one I ever wrote.... hiehiehie
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/21/2013 7:16:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Oh, I understand. And it is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. You just asked the questions, hon. It is the answer from behind the Oz curtain that has got me gobsmacked. It ISN'T FAIR. IT ISN'T RIGHT.
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/21/2013 7:12:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Any marginalization of a poet's need to explore, push boundaries and a REIGNING in of a form, to restrain its "sprouting" is to my mind a form (lol, pun here) of CENSORSHIP. Slap that naughty poet. How dare he write a curtal sonnet. (a ten line sonnet. Yeah, they exist and are a form)
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/21/2013 7:10:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    There should be one more 'form' added to the list. I may even start a petition. It will simply say, POETRY. Yup, the poetry form. It can be whatever it is, freely. BUT ... if I want to use rhyme in a free verse, I I I I I get to call it free verse. If I I I I I want to call a modern haiku, a haiku, I I I I can do so. I'm not raging at you, hon. I'm raging at CENSORSHIP
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/21/2013 7:07:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I am standing up and saying the "making sure" and "we'd change it" is disturbing to me. I am all for forms. I would like to see tons more forms, to explore, to study. But this "not listed" form makes me laugh. So, the only EXCUSE for not colouring between the forms lines is "not listed?" I often explain I've modified a form, but still see it within the form's peremeters ...
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/21/2013 7:03:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    There is an artist that uses meat as his medium. I don't see it as art. But I'm not going to stick a sign on his steak and call it dinner. To him, it is art. To others, it is art. It is up to the artist to label his creation. Critics can grumble, but should not INTERFER with the process. This is my concern.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 11:32:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    OR, MAYBE THE TITLE OF THIS BLOG IS AMBIGUOUS? "The Difference between correctly identifying poetry forms and incorrect information."
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 5:07:00 PM
    Sic semper evello mortem Tyrannis! Oh! Wrong site! I thought this was the: "Utopian Brotherhood of Marxist Anarchists" page. Please disregard this comment(Internal Affairs, this includes you). Continue as you were. Thank you.

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/21/2013 1:01:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Sic semper evello mortem Tyrannis! And the tyrants being?
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/20/2013 5:46:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Love/Lord!
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 3:31:00 PM
    -----> I think we're forgetting the main ingredient: creativity. No, I don't need a a "moderator" forcing one of my poems into any "encoded form."

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 11:52:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    *context
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 10:59:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Please, I did not bring up the subject of form moderator - not in the contest that you and one or other PS member is using the term. I feel that people are getting their knickers in a knot over sweet blow all and NOT reading the comments and what was ACTUALLY said.
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/20/2013 4:43:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Are you going to be sad or stressed or depressed if I write (and label) a sonnet using only 13 lines? I hope not! : D I know that you are discussing about the accuracy of the TPS' forms definitions (they're unaccurate). But... I can live with it. On the other hand, the form moderator could be something Im not sure I would like. Have sweet dreams!
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 4:04:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    "By these few examples above, I have endeavoured to illustrate the shortcomings of the existing poetry form definitions and the often misleading information and examples found here on PoetrySoup." That is what my blog is about. Nothing more and nothing less. Mission accomplished. Goodnight :-)
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 4:03:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    As I said: Content is more important than any "recipe', but that is getting off the topic. Yes you might bring a new slant to a poetry form, but a sonnet is still a sonnet, a blank verse, still a blank verse... You get mu drift? :-)
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 4:02:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Hallo, Ruben. Did you read my comments and that of TPS? Please see the updates under the poetry forms listed under "A" and you will get what this blog was about and had in fact accomplished.
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 3:29:00 PM
    ---> Two weeks ago, I ordered "Chicken Picatta" (chicken breast sauteed in a lemon sauce with capers); it's a classic in every Italian restaurant. When the waiter brough me the plate,the chicken Picatta came with mushrooms!The menu doesnt say that it comes with mushrooms,(it shouldn't have mushrooms). I'm not allergic to mushrooms, moreover, I love them.So, I didnt say anything and ...it was delicious! The same chicken Picatta but with mushrooms. Are you still with me? Forms (and recipes) are very important when we write (cook) a poem (a dish), but there's always something else that we can add,a personal touch, originality, something new, something unique,something still not considered by any other form.

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  1. Date: 3/20/2013 3:26:00 PM
    I don't know what bothers me more, a poem labeled with an incorrect form or a "moderator" forcing a poem into an "encoded form" using specific operating instructions. I don't really care if a writer labels one of his poems "I don't know;" it doesn't hurt me. Im going to read the poem and, hopefully, I could find something magical, something emotive, something that could put a smile on my face or tears in my eyes. That's what I look for when I read poetry. I don't read poetry to evaluate how accurate is the form. -------- >

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/21/2013 3:41:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Ruben O. I had asked for a more up to date list of poetry forms and better definitions. TPS had yesterday updated the info on the ABC form and had now included Abecedarian. I think that it is a step forward and an aid to new poets. Love, Su
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 12:43:00 PM
    Please have a look at the FORMS page = "A", and see the update that TPS had undertaken. I think we could trust them to be ethical and thorough in their approach. Also pl take note: "We always accept enhancements or corrections to our definitions - if you write it yourself. Don't copy from other websites. Just email it to us and we'll review it."~ TPS. Please note that this blog is about FORMS and the definitions per that page. "Moderation" could perhaps be a subject of another blog (someome else would perhaps wish to blog about it? - if and when the topic arises). For now, I am satisfied with the outcome of this post and would like to conclude by thanking everyone who participated. Love, Su

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 2:30:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I am keeping my fingers crossed that TPS will change the "I do not know" option to "Not Listed". The latter is to my mind more professional. One small step at a time, hey?
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 2:27:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    As TPS had picked up perhaps on the moderator idea from past blogs, only time will tell. Forms first and foremost set PS aside from other websites due to these tags in the search engines. So, my suggestion is: Let us update the FORMS page and then address related issues. :-)
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 2:26:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thank you, Chris. Yes, you are quite right. I have previously blogged about poets hopefully using the correct form description - but those posts died a natural death - or "too much white noise. We managed to get TPS to the table on this one and I am happy with the fist step.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/20/2013 2:19:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    BTW: This blog has directly(and indirectly?)brought-up some intriguing info, opinions and discussions. I have found this blog 100 times more interesting than a contest update blog(as an example).
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/20/2013 2:16:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Su, I wrongly ass.umed that the form moderation suggestion by TPS would interest you. Even though your blog specifically pointed at the forms page, form moderators do go hand-in-hand with your overall vision of wanting this site to be a place were if one checks member examples of a specific form, the examples adhere to said form definitions(or am I also way off base in this as well? I recall a blog or two you had posted, explaining how you thought it would be proper if forms matched defined examples. Just because a forms page is re-vamped, this obviously doesn't mean some people are going to read the definitions properly, etc). If this isn't part of your overall vision for PS, it is very possible that I have misinterpreted some of your past blogs/comments.
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 10:03:00 AM
    Soup, I'm just double checking, after reading your reply to Chris. Sometime in the future, moderators will dictate what FORM a poem posted should be 'categorized' as. So, say someone writes a free verse, but it contains no metaphor, reads simply and does not play with spacing, it MAY be relabeled as PROSE, if someone ELSE decides that is what it is? YES or NO? Thank you.

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    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/20/2013 1:59:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Well, I am glad you don't have a headache. Patience is definitely a virtue. Aye, a formless Universe would be....be....?
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 1:18:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    No headaches at all Chris. We welcome recommendations. We'll try to implement the ones we think are appropriate for The Soup. Forms are obviously NOT going away.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/20/2013 11:28:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I wonder if TPS is(or already has)reaching for the Tylenol/Aspirin/Ibuprofen(or stronger?)? If not now, maybe by the time this form moderation comes to fruition :D
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 11:19:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Who will monitor the moderators? Ensure they are not too heavy handed? Bah! As a friend would say, ME NO LIKE THIS. Stinks like Denmark!
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 11:18:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I can see it now. NOPE, THAT HAIKU HAS METAPHOR -----> IT'S FREE VERSE. NOPE, THAT BALLADE HAS BEEN MODIFIED ----->INTO THE RHYME SLOT IT GOES... it's also a slippery slope. We not just edit for the poets? Yeah, change their words. Maybe take out a line or two... fix it for them.
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 11:15:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Unfortunately, Soup, you're going to get some form-fixated-vigilante who will use that kind of power to place a firm stamp over a form. Once that gate is opened, bulls will run rampant. I am quite disappointed at the mind set, here.
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 10:52:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Obviously we wouldn't touch a poem that can be placed in one of many forms. However, if something is, for instance, clearly a Couplet and is placed in the Haiku form; we'd change it.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/20/2013 10:11:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    (and if so, I simply go into the "edit poems" section and change the form back again? Will a back-and-forth changing of forms ensue, like a ping-pong match? Ha!)
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/20/2013 10:06:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    This is wot I am most interested in now. I am quite curious.
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 9:11:00 AM
    Also, remember. We always accept enhancements or corrections to our definitions - if you write it yourself. Don't copy from other websites. Just email it to us and we'll review it.

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 9:23:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    You cannot ask for fairer than this. Thank you Team PoetrySoup for engaging in this discussion.
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 8:53:00 AM
    Hullo, TPS: I've mentioned how I think some of the form definitions on PS are misleading(not just sparse). This is only my opinion. On the other hand, I completely understand the amount of work and hassle involved with running this site(including the possible re-vamping of the form definitions), and I sincerely appreciate the creation and maintenance of this site. Thanks, I think PS is a great site; since joining PS, via synchronicities, discussions, etc, my learning-curve has ramped-up over the years. I read below about the possibility of form moderation. I can agree with aspects of this idea, but I also have a bit of trepidation concerning it. How far would this moderation go? Obviously some forms such as haiku can be a can of worms. If I posted a haiku formatted in one line instead of three, containing 13 syllables, would it get to the point(in the future, under this possible form moderation)were if an appointed moderator disagreed with said poem being a haiku, would he/she over-ride the post and re-label it without my consent? And how might the poem possibly be re-labelled? Under monoku? Free verse?(and I would be able to go back into the "edit poems" section and change the label back to the original one? Ha ha!). I understand the analogies about poetry needing form, and how without form, it isn't poetry(yet for me the debate goes even deeper than this, and there is a mine-field of paradoxes). The irony for me though, is the more my amateur roots grow, the less I care about the actual labels. I want poems to move me in several ways, no matter the labels. Someone can be an 'expert' in understanding form, but I find their poems to be dry and soul-less. When all is said and done, no matter the possible holes in my arguement, I go for heart over labels.

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    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/20/2013 10:04:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I know, I know, I rambled a lot up there, but wot about some of the questions I asked concerning the possible form moderators? I think this is wot I am most interested in now. It really grabbed my attention lol.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/20/2013 9:58:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    But wot if my assumptions of incorrectness are incorrect? For the most part, it appears to be a matter of sparseness within the definition(and some of the example poems). Again, I understand the hassle of even trying to put up all of the definitions in the first place. Ok, off the top of my head, the Sijo form definition could be re-vamped. There is something missing, a certain device that sets Sijo apart(without it, a Sijo just isn't a 'good' one -- just my opinion again).
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 9:14:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    True, all good poetry must make you feel something.
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 9:12:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Chris, if something is incorrect, just email us with the correction.
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 8:35:00 AM
    Form is just a vehicle for a poem.Sometimes it's a tricycle of one two or three lines and sometimes a car (auto) less often a train with many carriages.It matters not what it is labelled.Try reading aloud short forms and you'll see what I mean ,they are in my extensive experience thereof (over 3000 of such of mine posted here) merely a learning stepping stone to understanding how to write longer (dare I say real) poetry and and free verse.Reading poetry ,without reciting it aloud, is merely reading structured prose and the reader misses out on the 'experience' between the poet and the reader.It's what makes poetry a 'different' form of literature to an essay or short book.As someone who held 200 contests may I say contests that insist on a particular form are just games of fun(albeit a good way of learning our art)

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 8:43:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Yes, Brian, I am definitely learning from the more experienced poets. I love reading some poetry aloud to hear it.... it was after all an oral tradition, long before it was written down for the readers - think here of Shakespeare's work. Love, Su
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 7:39:00 AM
    To TPS: In summery:- 1. Please scrap the need to identify our poems before it can be posted, 2. Those poets who wish to identify their poems, might do so by adding a footnote to the poem, 3. Please update the FORMS page with more accurate/the norm definitions, 4. Place a link to poetry contests relating to a particular form at each poetry form - this will keep the information and the examples FRESH, and 5. A disclaimer that the FORMS are a guide and it is up to each poet to arm himself/herself with information. {As discussion forums are the latest and most likely, the most effective mode of learning (as I had recently experienced at Edinburgh Uni), we should blog more per subject in future?

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    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 9:09:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Oh, yeah. We'll ponder this. We really want people to pick a form...the correct form.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 8:53:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    BTW: I have just checked. It says "I don't know" which does not sound very encouraging... May I kindly request that it is changed to: "Not listed". Thank you.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 8:44:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    You are welcome. That is what this blog was about. We are all in this together, so to speak. :-)
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 8:37:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    LOVE the idea of linking to poetry contests that focus on a particular form. Now, to add that to our ever expanding list. LOL. Also, like the disclaimer for the pages that show member poetry by form. Good suggestions.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 8:13:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thank you, TPS, for now listing Abecedarian.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 7:57:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    TPS on the subject: "Well, Suzette we DEFINITELY will NOT be getting rid of forms. Forms are an inherent part of poetry, so that's not debatable. The definition of most forms is NOT debatable. You picked out one, that frankly, is not even really a form. But that's one out of hundreds."
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 7:45:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Sorry, this was posted before I saw the post below. Please see my answer.
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 7:02:00 AM
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  1. Date: 3/20/2013 6:41:00 AM
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  1. Date: 3/20/2013 6:14:00 AM
    Thank you TPS for adding Abecedarian. Furthermore: "We don't think our definitions are bad, they are just sparse or not exhaustive, and many don't include examples. That is something we would like to work on." I do think that there are some definitions which might be updated to more in line with the norm. May I kindly suggest that TPS blog and invite volunteers to address this problem? As far as examples are concerned, many contests here had yielded excellent poems which might be considered as examples. You might either place a link to the contest page result or pick one or two examples from the lists. Thank you, TPS for listening to us. Kind regards, Su

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 8:36:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Would a link to a contest, for example, perhaps answer this question. Then it could also serve as an example of the various interesting applications each form might be employed...
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 8:33:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    True, we have MANY good examples. That's not the problem. The problem is finding the time to update the form with examples. :-)
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 5:43:00 AM
    Also, unfortunately when you leave the assigning of a form up to the poet, many poems will not be correctly identified. That's the nature of a public website. Sadly, we do not have the resources to look at every poem to see if the correct form was applied. In time, we will build in moderator functionality to PoetrySoup to allow select members to help us with this moderation. The building of those features will take time however.

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    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 9:14:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    AN EDIT>>>Soup, no offence, but as soon as someone else "moderates" my poem by forcing it into a ""FORM""" that I do NOT want it in, then there will be a smoke trail following me as I head for the door.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 8:33:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I did not know that, TPS. I thought that the option "I do not know".... Anyway, I will rather go that route if in doubt. Thank you. :-)
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 8:30:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    BTW, Suzette Crous you do not HAVE to list a form. You can choose "Not Listed"
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 8:29:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Cyndi, we are not talking about moderating categories - only FORMS. We are referring to making sure poems are under the correct form. Two different things.
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 8:27:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    It's not poetry without forms.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 7:44:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I have suggested that the need to identify each poem posted be done away with as it seems to create heated debates as to what form it might be. I do tend to adhere to forms, as my previous blogs had testified to. It is your page, TPS and if that it is the take on the current status of the Forms, I will adhere to your call. Thank you.
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 7:28:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Well, Suzette we DEFINITELY will NOT be getting rid of forms. Forms are an inherent part of poetry, so that's not debatable. The definition of most forms is NOT debatable. You picked out one, that frankly, is not even really a form. But that's one out of hundreds.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 7:27:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    When I write poems which garner the Putzer Prize, then and only then, may people argue over whether it was a tanka or not a tanka .... Love and Peace to all :-)
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 7:22:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Why fight for definition of poetry forms when no one seems to agree what is what?
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 7:20:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Cyndi: I might as well call all my pathetic attempts at poetry "Verse" and be done with it. But, I suspect that if I am calling for Grook in my contest, and someone writes a sonnet (never mind how good it is) is will be binned. I repeat: I would like to see the definition of poems (when we post) scrapped.
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 7:13:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    What I am saying is that I have the absolute right as a poet to call a rock a stone, a rose a bush and a modified sonnet a sonnet. Else what is poetry? Auden did this with his war ode. To HIM, to MANY, this is an ode, despite its structure. It would be a mistake akin to burning books to INSIST a poet not define his own poetry. Do you understand?
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 7:05:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Cyndi: As I have been suggesting (please see my note below): If the need to identify our poems by poetry form, is scrapped when we post our poems on PS, then the need to moderate the poetry forms will fall by the wayside. It might be made an optional feature.
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 6:32:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    CHeck out Natalie Goldburg's Americain Haiku... can you IMAGINE the nightmare around the topic of haiku as someone FORBIDS someone else from calling it what it is TO THEM? Awk! AWK? CHRIS YOU OUT THERE? HELLO RUBEN??? ANYONE ANYONE???
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 6:25:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Soup, no offence, but as soon as someone else "moderates" my poem by forcing it into a category that I do NOT want it in, then there will be a smoke trail following me as I head for the door. Glad soup is the way it is.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 6:21:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    ...continued: Unless (as I have discussed in a previous blog of mine), the main or one of the main search catchments for this website is poetry form. In which case it is not serving its function. The reason being that a vast amount of poetry are incorrectly labeled. But that was a discussion for another blog some time ago...
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 6:17:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    If the need to identify our poems by poetry form, is scrapped when we post our poems on PS, then the need to moderate the poetry forms will fall by the wayside. It might be made an optional feature.
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 5:38:00 AM
    We don't think our definitions are bad, they are just sparse or not exhaustive, and many don't include examples. That is something we would like to work on.

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  1. Date: 3/20/2013 3:20:00 AM
    Thank you for your feedback. I cannot recall ever saying that form is more important than content. My final suggestion is this: Scrap all the poetry forms and run contests solely on content. That way no conflicting poetry description will confuse people: eg tanka (as stated above).If, for eg, someone should use the description of a tanka form to submit an entry to a tanka magazine, they will be rejected.I (and other it seems) have proposed a change and had offered our help. "By these few examples above, I have endeavoured to illustrate the shortcomings of the existing poetry form definitions and the often misleading information and examples found here on PoetrySoup". I, hereby rest my case.

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    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 7:02:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Poets have contested (argued for/about) forms since there has been poetry. The way this is going someone would have "moderated" Auden's Ode and said, Hey, you need to call it free verse, moron. It ain't an ode proper so you can't call it an ode. Oh, puh-lease.
    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 5:35:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Certainly, the use of poetry forms as a basis for a contest is up to the sponsor of the contest. Forms are the foundation of poetry.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 3:44:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    As Debbie G rightly said here: "So bad definitions and bad examples!" I would add: ... leads to bad poetry. Rhyme, metre, and other poetry devices are employed to enhance a poem. A poem is not just a random amount of words strung together. Amen
  1. Date: 3/20/2013 2:14:00 AM
    Moreover you cannot tell if a poem is 'good' (whatever that means) until you hear it read aloud(preferably by the poet) witness how flat the poetry in a hymn is until it is sung aloud.By the by you can listen to me read one of my poems aloud at this link http://youtu.be/GiD8JdYi-jw Rgds Brian

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    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/20/2013 6:30:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Brian, here we don't agree (lol. It seems this blog is full of debate. It's wonderful to discuss poetry this way, yes?) I can read poetry, let it saturate my mind, and no, I don't need to hear it read aloud. But some poems are enjoyable ALSO this way. ;-)
  1. Date: 3/19/2013 4:13:00 PM
    The problem in all of this is that there is no official poetic form called "ABC". "ABC" has been used to describe anything from an Abecedarian poem, to an Acrostic poem, and other things. “ABC” typically has been used as a catch-all for sequential alphabet poems that may not necessarily use the entire alphabet like an Abecedarian poem. So, in reality, “ABC” is just an acrostic poem. The dilemma we have, and we've known this for a while, what do we do with it?

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    PoetrySoup Avatar Team PoetrySoup Date: 3/20/2013 5:33:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Cyndi, we've added Abecedarian as a form. funny, but we thought it was already there. We had it as a term, but not a form. sigh. Now you can choose it as a form.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 4:50:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    * sorry about the typos ... eg which i s o wish... :-)
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 3:35:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Regarding abecedarian: It appears to be the historical base of the other poetry forms. It might serve as the heading and the sub-forms which are derived from this, listed as such: 1. acrostic, 2. ABC, and 3. Name. Similar with haiku (for eg): The diff types under one chief heading. Just a thought.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 3:29:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thank you TPS. May I kindly suggest that: 1. Scrap the need for identifying one's poems (poetry form) when we post on here, or 2. Put it up for revision and those who which to help to upgrade the various forms, may do so. This may include a max of x amount of words examples of poetry forms for each.It is your call TPS.
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/19/2013 9:35:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thanks for the reply, TPS. The question I have is, how difficult would it be for you to actually change the form definitions? Is it a simple thing to do, time consuming, near impossible? Could we add abecedarian to the form list, thereby providing another option?
  1. Date: 3/19/2013 2:41:00 PM
    I wonder how Soup will respond... they are already trying to change/enhance certain aspects of Soup and monitor the site the best they can. Soup is managed by only ONE PERSON. The first question is, does soup administration WANT to change the current definitions or are they content with the status quo. Hey, it's his/her party... and he/she already has a heep to do. Seems to me that all the information is at our fingertips, as long as we're not too lazy to simply google a form, visit the library, take a class, if that is the poet's focus. Keep us in the know, if you can, Su (often Soup responds with emails which outright tell you the contents of their emails can not be disclosed to a third party) I do think, after looking around, this is the best poetry site. Tons of resources, cool format, I like how the Home page is organized and I can usually find a dozen ways to reach a poet--tons of links. And, for the most part, the community is friendly, despite the occasional squirmish/misunderstanding/rant-fest. I think there needs to be more...onus?... on the individual poet to delve into/further explore form and style. This is like a poet cafe, we share, mingle, challlenge each other... I ask, isn't that enough? How much should we expect from one person who has created this site and continues to keep it going?Hugs, Cyndi

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  1. Date: 3/19/2013 12:12:00 AM
    From the comments below, it seems that there are quite a few poets who are in the know regarding certain poetry forms. I like Chris' suggestion and Debbie's implication of LET US HELP TPS. I will write to them and ask them to put up a blog to garner volunteers to upgrade the Forms. It will not be difficult to share the load and get it done in no time. Then I do not have to read on other websites that our site's definitions are out of synct with reality and, therefore, the poems (especially by those who solely rely on this site), are way off.... I would start a workshop right here, but I would like TPS's commitment that the work we put in to do the corrections, will be accepted! Thanks all. X

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  1. Date: 3/18/2013 9:26:00 PM
    Soup seems to have so little help, it is also hard for anyone seeking aide regarding form to learn from the examples given here, say if you check the best of blank verses etc. quite a few "? blank verses" soup has put up as examples are merely 'labeled blank verse' and are definitely NO WAY blank verse, I have offered to weed out the incorrectly labeled ones BUT as yet there is no way to let other than the owners do this. So bad definitions and bad examples!

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/20/2013 3:40:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Yes, it wrangle the senses, Debbie. let us hope that this blog will get this matter resolved one way or another.
  1. Date: 3/18/2013 7:05:00 PM
    Waaaa hahhahaa! I've decided to postpone my thesis about anthropological-literature ... because (suspensul music ...) two days ago I felt tempted to poke out my eyes in one of my emotional outbursts. BUT, I promise ... If I find something inspirational enough ... Im going to share it with you. : D

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  1. Date: 3/18/2013 9:22:00 AM
    Su, I can understand your concern and trepidation regarding the PS form definitions, because the PS form definitions are sparse and misleading....well, the definitions are crap, I am not going to mince words. Anyone who is naive, or silly enough to ONLY use the PS form definitions as a learning curve, is going to be led astray from the get-go. But here is another way I look at it: For the most part, we are a group of amateurs using this site as a casual form of entertainment by posting crappy (generally) poems; within an atmosphere of social networking; a poetry facebook of sorts. Why would anyone who has been a member for a while, search PS for a serious dissertation of form examples? We should know better by now lol. I checked out the blogspot and found a few good points, but also found misleading info. Without offence, I don't see it as a "fresh new look at tanka". But then again, I am a newcomer to tanka, only having practiced the form(inc. kyoka and another sub-form)for 3 years(at least this goes beyond only using online info, or maybe a section within a literature course, and a seminar -- still only a newbie though, with 3 years tanka experience, so wot do I know). I loved the author's words about how reading bad poetry can make one age. Hilarious! I have found a loophole with regards to this. Aside from my fav poets here on PS(and the gems that I occasionally stumble across), I follow 10 - 20 other poets, not because I think they write good poetry, but because their poetry causes me to giggle, chuckle, chortle, laugh so uproariously, tears of ecstasy pour down my face; it is the worst poetry that I have ever read in my entire life. I am using the "laughter-is-the-best-medicine" self-treatment therapy to help offset the aging process which comes with reading bad poetry(and I can laugh at my own very easily too).

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    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/18/2013 4:15:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Ruben, if you unearth any more finds while digging with your shovel of anthropological literary analysis, would you please be so kind as to pass these finds along to me? I would like to add a few more to my list, to help defy the aging process via even more laughter.
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/18/2013 4:09:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    \_0 __ high five -- Su, maybe you could volunteer your services to help TPS re-write some of the form definitions on PS?
    O. Avatar Ruben O. Date: 3/18/2013 3:49:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    LMAOOTF (Laughing My A-- Off On The Floor) Love/Lord!
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 1:37:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    High five _/.......
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner Date: 3/18/2013 12:49:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    If I have sage advice, this might be an occasional anomaly within my own green-ness(sort of like a Pan perhaps?)....even my avatar is mainly green. I'll keep my day job for a good while longer :) ~ Even though I am green, I am not completely jaded-green. I do understand your point of view concerning this topic. Since this very topic has been explored several times over the years, and the PS poetry form definitions remain sparse and misleading(it is extra work for TPS to put-up better ones), I now maintain a light-green-hearted approach, for if I take it too seriously, for too long, I might spiral into an even more severe in---->sanity :D
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 12:19:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Rolf.... You should consider writing for a living, Chris. Lol... Just kidding. I loved your input. Trust you to see a the bright side to every spilled inkwell blotch.... ;-) I am so green, I am easily influenced as I do not know right from wrong. Thank you for the sage advice. X, Su
  1. Date: 3/18/2013 8:07:00 AM
    well Su, you got me thinking and I googled a few sites and counting soup's I found 3 different versions, I do feel (in my humble opinion) that it seems too, (dare I say it), easy to do it the Acrostic form, it is more difficult to construct it as in the ABC form, just my 50 pence worth...

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 8:54:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I agree, whole heartly with you, David. The ABC form (as per soup and one other site) example, is not all that easy to do. Yip! It is like my Yorkshire Puddings: the right ingredients, but still they come out as biscuits....lol
  1. Date: 3/18/2013 6:52:00 AM
    Like all poets who are serious about form & desire to remain within its boundaries, you researched outside of soup for more information. When/if I desire to study & adhere to form, which is a very rare occurence, then I read examples from a wide range of resources, as I should. Many contradict each other, especially in regards to poetry, as poetry is a continually evolving art and poets, like all artists, challenge absolutes and boundaries. To me relying on one source for information is like trusting one doctor when a second opinion is warranted. I understand your frustration, have heard it from some of my fave poets here, but I don't share it. I do hope Soup listens. Valid points. Hugs

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 8:57:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thank you for coming aboard with this information, Cyndi. I know that you are running a contest along these lines and I had come across the information which had puzzled me. I think I will stick with "A is for apple..."... lol. I love your comment, which sums it up very well: "poetry is a continually evolving art and poets, like all artists, challenge absolutes and boundaries."
    MacMillan Avatar Cyndi MacMillan Date: 3/18/2013 6:57:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I've written many ABC poems, here is one...http://www.poetrysoup.com/poems_poets/poem_detail.aspx?ID=377825 I play fast and loose with the X, cause I want to and it makes for better poetry.
  1. Date: 3/18/2013 6:46:00 AM
    I have updated the blog to include more details of the various examples. @ 12:45pm GMT

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  1. Date: 3/18/2013 6:04:00 AM
    ABECEDARIAN/ Abecedarium & ABC: The abecedarian is an ancient poetic form guided by alphabetical order. Generally each line or stanza begins with the first letter of the alphabet and is followed by the successive letter, until the final letter is reached, thus using the whole alphabet. It also must be written about only one topic....An abecedarian poem is similar to the ABC poem but uses all the letters in the alphabet. It starts with "A" and works all the way down to "Z"....There are many variations on the acrostic, a form derived from the abecedarian form, some of which have their own names ... Extracts from my book :-)

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 6:05:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    NAME: This is a form of abecedarian or acrostic poem. Name is poetry that tells about the name/title of the poem, using the letters of the word for the first letter of each line. ( Have covered acrostic poems in a blog recently).
  1. Date: 3/18/2013 5:35:00 AM
    Ah, so if I understand you correctly it can only be written in Acrostic form? still very interesting...

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 6:19:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    EG Must an ABC poem always start with "A" or may it start at any letter of the alphabet and resume from there?
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 6:17:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I have posted an example of single words here and am also questioning whether it is an ABC poem, or not. The definitions of ABC poems found on the Internet are different to what we are exposed to here on PS. Hence my blog title.... Please help me think this one through, David. X
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 6:00:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    That is what my Internet search seems to indicate, David. Comments are welcome. :-)
  1. Date: 3/18/2013 2:01:00 AM
    Su, very interesting blog...I posted an Abecedarian a few weeks ago called ABC of Life....

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    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 3:39:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I might be wrong in this: Let us throw this open for discussion.
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 3:35:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Your poem, ABC of Life, is a true ABC poem, David. An Abecedarian poem is different to an ABC poem, as it employs full sentences per letter of the alphabet. I is a type of acrostic poem, employing ALL the letters of the alphabet (as per the example above).
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 3:35:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Although you have used all the letters of the alphabet, I would still class it as an ABC poem , because you have used only single words per each letter of the alphabet in sequence. Love, Su
    Richards Avatar Suzette Richards Date: 3/18/2013 3:26:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thank you, David. I will read it now... Best, Su

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3/17/2013 Swift Terns Tankafreedom,nature,
3/16/2013 A ZANY Suzette Primephilosophy,
3/14/2013 REREDOS Tankaautumn,metaphor,passion,r
3/1/2013 WISDOM STRING Verseallegory,hope,inspiration
2/22/2013 THEN UNDERSTAND Free verseinspirational,introspecti
2/22/2013 INNOCENCE Verseinspirational,
2/18/2013 Spoonbills Haikunature,spring,
2/16/2013 A Blue Tit Monokunature,
2/16/2013 Steps Haikunature,winter,
2/15/2013 Patience is the Essence of Life Sestinaintrospection,life,philos
2/12/2013 The Perfect Woman Versededication,love,wife,woma
2/12/2013 A Perfect Woman Versededication,love,wife,woma
2/11/2013 TRYING Grooksatire,
2/9/2013 Water Droplets Haikunature,summer,
2/7/2013 The Shambles, York Kimohistory,time,winter,
2/7/2013 It Depends which Wolf - - - Kimoallegory,introspection,ph
2/7/2013 Snails Haikunature,
1/31/2013 It's Pledged Coupletlost love,love,relationsh
1/31/2013 Collage of Wisdom on an Angel Wing Verseon writing and words,writ
1/31/2013 Your Time is not My Time Limerickhistory,nature,science,

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Fav Poems

PoemTitleFormCategories
As Raindrops Fall Lyriclife,love,philosophy,visi
The Shadow of Me Free verseintrospectionme,age,old,t
As Canvas Weeps Tankaart
Through the Winter Cold he Rode Villanellelove,winter,
Seasons to wonder Rhymenature,seasons,me,winter,
The Loss of Wisdom Quaternintrospection,loss,people
Autumn Love Acrosticlove,
Pseudonym Free verseallegory,hope,introspecti
swarm of dragonflies Haikuart,nature,
Dying Rose Haikudevotion,
Jokers Lament Senryufunny,life,
Distant Thunder - A Shan-zi Poem Free versenature,
Captive Bird - 12 Bars 12 Dreams Rhyme 
'Peace when needed' Free versefriendship,hope,life,lost
Wearied Wanderlust Rondeaulove,
The Allure of Your Lips Quaternpassion,romance,visionary
'Warfare' Verseangst,depression,fear,
Invitation to the Dance Free verseallegory,
TUNES OF WAVES Rhymemusic,nature,ocean,
Beauty of Nature Haikunature,
DARE WE Quatrainfunny,me,
Wayward Child Pantoumage,dark,introspection,li
Do You Remember Free verse 
Nette Onclaud, Princess to be Queen Quatrainhistory,people,places
Ewmer Fudd and Buggs Bunny Paint the Town Wed Coupletfunny,life,
Yesterdays Free verseangst,
When Tomorrow Dawns Verselife,garden,
paper boat Haikuhope,
The Ivy and The Brick Villanelleallegory,heart,red,heart,
Haste Quintain (Sicilian)faith,fear,introspection,
Crickets' Call Rhymenature,time,love,
Dream of Dawn Constanza Rhymenostalgia,flower,flower,r
Drawing on Time Versededication,faith,life,may
MY QUIET PLACE, SOFT Versespace,
Shadow Puppets Verselove,
The Greatest Love Story Quatrainlove,words,body,love,
After my death Epigramsad,
Her Epitaph Epigramdeath,nostalgia,
Between the Stingers Villanellelost love,
Phobia Free verseangst,world,light,light,
Let the Moon Watch Tankaromance,
The Zulu Coconut Speaks Nonetallegory,
Dark Dawn Diamantepolitical,
Injustice Versedeath,friendship,history,
The Ballad Of Prospector Pete Balladfunny,
Ramblers Rhymefantasy,love,
Under Moonlight Tankalost love,
In My Prime Free versephilosophy,me,change,me,
Positano Harbor Dodoitsusea,
Hymns of Salvation 1 Suzette Primebirth,me,philosophy,relig
A Seagull's Plight Free versecourage,dream,passion,upl
Imaginary Universe Free verseimagination,philosophy,
Sweet Taste of Love Suzette Primelost love,
I AM LIVING Free versededication,devotion,inspi
Caught in the Sun Quintellabeauty,nature,
Stardust Artist Coupletbeauty,imagination,nature
Never Forgotten Coupletdevotion,love,
A valentine poem 1 Acrosticlove,valentines day,words
In Dawn's Bright Glow Sonnetnature,
Poe and I Rispettolonely,lost love,
The Magpie and The Butterfly, A Terzanelle Terzanellebutterfly,love,marriage,p
Picture Postcard Free versenature,winter,
Your Ocean Free verseintrospection,
Past Passion Sonnetlost love,love,
It's All In How You Ask It Footlefunny,
Senryu 023 Senryuloss,
Table for One Ekphrasis (Ecphrasis)artautumn,lonely,morning,
The Mighty One Ekphrasis (Ecphrasis)natural disasters
Closer Free versehope,life,love,peace,blue
My Slutty Aunt's Wedding Rhymesatire,wedding,wedding,
Amassed ABCangst,nature,war,
Cling Sijoautumn,insect,nature,rain
THE RESTLESS SEA historical quatrain for contest Quatrainhistory,men,
The Accolade Balladchristian,faith,love,woma
Chilled Dawn Versedark,death,farewell,loss,
The 'Undred an' Fifth Rhymeadventure,courage,war,mar
The Angel Inside Rhymeallegory,angel,art,beauti
Erin Go Bragh Couplethistory,life,people,place
More Foolish Footles for Super Soupy Soupers - Footlefunny,me,
Lekker contest Acrostichappiness,love,marriage,
A Near Death Experience of A Sweetheart Rhymedeath,death,god,death,god
Colours Coupletnature,
SMAAK STUKKEND Carpe Diemimagination,introspection
Sitting In My Deck Chair Free versehappiness,happy,nature,dr
A Bit O' Ireland Quatrainlove,time,time,
A Pink Crystal Dawn Kimonature,
Bartered Wives Versehistory,
The Potter's Wheel Sestinaart,life,
Kiss the Rain Sonnetlost love,
HOW TO STOP SWIFT AND STEALTHY TIME THAT BRINGS DEATH Carpe Diemdeath,history,life,philos
A is for Antenna 1 ABCscience,
Dance With Me Free versedance,music,
America's Idle Pastime Grookfunny,
PALADIN Free versepeople,sympathy,
Salvation comes with a far greater sacrifice than blind faith and car-wash fundraisers Prose Poetryfaith,hope,life,social,ba
The Solo Dancer - Tanka to Sonnet Sonnetbeautiful,tree,sun,tree,
In Good Conscience Sonnetintrospection,sound,sound
Echoes of Dreams Free versedream,star,travel,emotion
Every now and then Lyriclove,miss you,
Daytime's Demeanor Rhyme royalbeauty,life,nature,water,

Fav Poets

PoetCountry 
Debbie Guzzi United States Flag United States Read
Ruben O. Argentina Flag Argentina Read
Andrea Dietrich United States Flag United States Read
Connie Marcum Wong United States Flag United States Read
Robert L. Hinshaw United States Flag United States Read
harry horsman United Kingdom Flag United Kingdom Read
Wilma Neels South Africa Flag South Africa Read
nette onclaud Philippines Flag Philippines Read
kash poet India Flag India Read
Robert Ludden United States Flag United States Read
Rhonda Johnson-Saunders United States Flag United States Read
Leonora Galinta Thailand Flag Thailand Read
Erich Goller United States Flag United States Read
Joann Grisetti United States Flag United States Read
Jenna-Nichole Conrad United States Flag United States Read
Terry O'Leary France Flag France Read
Vicky Tsiluma Kenya Flag Kenya Read
Irfana Ali Bhat India Flag India Read
Justin Bordner United States Flag United States Read
Sara Giroux United States Flag United States Read
Sharon Smith United Kingdom Flag United Kingdom Read
Richard Lamoureux Canada Flag Canada Read
Debra Squyres United States Flag United States Read
James Fraser United Kingdom Flag United Kingdom Read
James Nichols United States Flag United States Read
Carrie Richards United States Flag United States Read
Thvia Stein United States Flag United States Read
Suzanne Delaney United States Flag United States Read
Chris D. Aechtner Canada Flag Canada Read