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Nominated as one of the BEST POETS (current or in the past) on World Poetry Day, 21 March 2013 - in Dazed & Confused Magazine.

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Included in: My poem, ON THE OCEAN WAVES
International Who's Who in Poetry 2012
Library of Congress ISBN- 978-1-61936-035-8

My poem, The African Man, featured twice during 2012 in the eMagazine, Afritorial


 

Most Recent Blog Post


THE RELEVANCE THEORY AND POETRY
Blog Posted:2/10/2013 8:12:00 AM

 

Hallo Soupers!



Please see my follow-up blog dd 02/11/13 for the summery:
"A Grook by Piet Hein"

I have attempted to address this matter before - ie the relationship between poet and audience. The following article sums it up to a T. The poet assumes that the audience has a certain amount of knowledge on a topic when a thought/cultural reference/reference to location or season/ etc, is expressed. 



It was pointed out to me recently that footnotes to a poem (other than quoting the reference on which a poem was based or the inspiration of the poem) detracts from the enjoyment of the poem. However, for certain poems to be fully understood or enjoyed the foreseen lack of information should perhaps be appended? Or do I need to write "soft poetry" which do not call for the understanding or any depth of knowledge from the audience - ie a "universal voice"? Will this not in fact defeat the purpose of exploring our poetry talents and expressing ourselves in a language which is familiar to us (if not to all)?


What is your feeling about this?


Relevance theory is a proposal by Dan Sperber and Deirdre Wilson that seeks to explain the second method of communication: one that takes into account implicit inferences. It argues that the hearer/reader/audience will search for meaning in any given communication situation and having found meaning that fits their expectation of relevance, will stop processing.


Relevance theory contrasted with the Conduit Metaphor:


There are two ways to conceive of how thoughts are communicated from one person to another. The first way is through the use of strict coding and decoding, (such as is used with Morse code). In this approach the speaker/author encodes their thoughts and transmits them to their audience. The audience receives the encoded message and decodes it to arrive at the meaning the speaker/author intended. This can be visualized as follows:


Speaker's thought/intention - encoded - transmitted - decoded - retention /thought understood.


This is usually referred to as the code model or the conduit metaphor of communication. Human communication however, is almost never this simple. Context almost always plays a part in communication as do other factors such as the author's intentions, the relationship between the sender and receiver and so forth.


The second way of conceiving how thoughts are communicated is by the author/speaker only conveying as much information as is needed in any given context, so that the audience can recover their intended meaning from what was said/written as well as from the context and implications. In this conceptual model, the author takes into account the context of the communication and the mutual cognitive environment between the author and the audience, ie That is what the author/speaker thinks that audience already knows. They then say just enough to communicate what they intend - relying on the audience to fill in the details that they did not explicitly communicate. This can be visualized as follows:


Speaker's thought/intention ± context-mediated information - encoded - transmitted - decoded ± context-mediated information  -thought/intention understood by hearer (an interpretive resemblance to the speaker's intention).


Here is a simple example:

Mary: How many loaves of bread do we have?

Bill: five.

Bill did not say "five loaves". He also did not say "five loaves of bread". Both are implied with his reply. But both are somewhat redundant. What Bill said was just enough to understand his meaning. Mary fills in the missing context-mediated information, i.e. that the question was about loaves of bread and not about something else. She understands that they have five loaves of bread from Bill's one word answer.


Here is another slightly harder example:

Mary: Would you like to come for a run?

Bill: I'm resting today.


We understand from this example that Bill does not want to go for a run. But that is not what he said. He only said enough for Mary to add the context-mediated information: i.e. someone who is resting doesn't usually go for a run. The implication is that Bill doesn't want to go for a run today.


These examples illustrate an important point: speech undermines thought. What we say (write, etc.) is small compared to the thoughts which generate the communicative act as well as the thoughts the act typically provokes.


Overview


Sperber and Wilson’s theory begins with some watershed assumptions that are typical of pragmatic theories. Namely, it argues that all utterances are encountered in some context and that utterances convey a number of implicatures. In addition, they posit the notion of manifestness, which is when something is grasped either consciously or unconsciously by a person.


They further note that it will be manifest to people who are engaged in inferential communication that each other have the notion of relevance in their minds. This will cause each person engaged in the interaction to arrive at the presumption of relevance, which is the notion that (a) implicit messages are relevant enough to be worth bothering to process, and (b) the speaker will be as economical as they possibly can be in communicating it.


The core of the theory is the “communicative principle of relevance”, which states that by the act of making an utterance the speaker is conveying that what they have said is worth listening to, i.e. it will provide "cognitive effects" worthy of the processing effort required to find the meaning. In this way, every ostensive act of communication (that is the lexical "clues" that are explicitly conveyed when we speak/write) will look something like this:


1. The speaker purposefully gives a clue to the hearer, ("ostensifies"), as to what she wishes to communicate - that is a clue to her intention.

2. The hearer infers the intention from the clue and the context-mediated information. The hearer must interpret the clue, taking into account the context, and surmise what the speaker intended to communicate.


For Sperber and Wilson, relevance is conceived as relative or subjective, as it depends upon the state of knowledge of a hearer when they encounter an utterance. However, they are quick to note that their theory does not attempt to exhaustively define the concept of "relevance" in everyday use, but tries to show an interesting and important part of human communication, in particular ostensive-inferential communication.


Update

Dear Soupers

Please read Cyndi MacMillan's blog of today, which will give you further insight into this blog: "WHEN POETRY IS PERSONAL... footnotes, background, revelations... PROVIDING KEYS TO LOCKS"

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  1. Date: 2/11/2013 1:03:00 AM
    The challenge, as I see it, is to write in such a fashion that the poem retains an air of elusiveness, but tantalizing enough to entice the reader. Just enough information to make the reader look up a reference if they do no understand a word. I, personally, would prefer to scrap footnotes on my poems and "hide" it under the About section - as it has been suggested here. It is up to the reader if they wish to learn more about the background to the poem. I will continue, where necessary, to give additional information and attempt to write poetry in such a fashion as to be accessible to the reader.

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    Crous Avatar Suzette Crous Date: 2/11/2013 11:42:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thank you for this encouraging feedback, Craig.
    cornish Avatar craig cornish Date: 2/11/2013 7:24:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I like how, often, you put local flavor in your poems and when you do, since most readers here are from North America, your explanations do clarify what perhaps, even with research, might still be ambiguous. Thanks Su
  1. Date: 2/10/2013 12:12:00 PM
    Su, this is a fantastic blog. We have discussed this on soup before. I often war with myself on posting poetry which is highly personal, that only a select few would completely understand. I have had to research poems in some of my contests because I did not understand the context, and yet could see that the poet was trying to convey something with one word, or one name. The research has always paid off, and when I look closer, I've become dazzled by what the poet has crafted. I'm about to post one of my poems, twice. First without information. Then I will give the information, they add the poem for a 2nd read. Please, let me know your thoughts. Thanks for posting this thought provoking blog

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    Crous Avatar Suzette Crous Date: 2/10/2013 1:01:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    The joys of motherhood. Thank goodness my have flown the nest :-) I have updated my blog with a footnote, back linking it to your blog. Thank you for your kind comments. Rest well. Love
    Crous Avatar Suzette Crous Date: 2/10/2013 12:53:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thank you Cyndi. I have left a comment on your blog. Love, Su
    MACMILLAN Avatar CYNDI MACMILLAN Date: 2/10/2013 12:42:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Done. Su, I've mentioned your blog in my blog, recommending it! Happy Sunday. I have had a nice chunk of time given to me by my hubby. Now, lol, for a short nap (girl up at 2 am and then again at 4 am! :( ) Hugs, Cyndi
  1. Date: 2/10/2013 11:35:00 AM
    Mr. Frost said that most of his writes, with exceptions, said exactly what he wanted to say. Very often we write a poem and don't even know specifically the deepest meaning ourselves or the obverse---we know exactly what we wanted to say and said it but most interpret it otherwise. That is one of the seminal contributions of art---"what does it mean to you", the reader, or the viewer. I will post a poem of mine on a blog as an example.

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    Crous Avatar Suzette Crous Date: 2/10/2013 2:00:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    My husband, Ben, will agree with you on this one, Craig. :-)
    cornish Avatar craig cornish Date: 2/10/2013 1:48:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I am one, however, that thinks a woman fully clothed in a sensual way is far more sexy than when naked and those that go to strip clubs don't truly enjoy what sultry means...
    Crous Avatar Suzette Crous Date: 2/10/2013 1:37:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    On another poetry website, they encourage a short (under 100 words) footnote, giving background information to the poem. I have noticed that it had in most instances enhanced my experience of the poem, when I knew where and when the poem was penned. A bit like the "where was this pic taken" note on fb :-)
    cornish Avatar craig cornish Date: 2/10/2013 12:12:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I do, however, if it is a foreign term, but just on the soup format, it is probable advantageous to explain it, either as a footnote or in the about this poem section, in the real world though, I think the largest contribution of art is it's contribution toward thought and imagination and where the art takes us on a personal level?----Only an opinion?
    MACMILLAN Avatar CYNDI MACMILLAN Date: 2/10/2013 12:12:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I'm about to do the same thing, Craig! Great minds...
    Crous Avatar Suzette Crous Date: 2/10/2013 11:47:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I like your point of view, Craig. We know exactly what we wanted to say and said it. We should perhaps then leave well alone and let the reader draw his own conclusions (based on his own knowledge/point of reference). I second that: "What does it mean to you?"
  1. Date: 2/10/2013 11:22:00 AM
    Personally, I feel some of these pointy headed academics should find something more productive to do...their types have already analysed Frost's Mending Walls and Stopping By The Woods poems until one's eyes frost over. Imagine, under every painting, disclaimers and reasons why someone should feel someway--BTW their thoughts, not even the artist--I've been to Frost's farm in Derry NH--live 20 min. away--in grammar school I listened to him talk live there. I've walked the wall he wrote about and shyly asked him if his lines about miles to go before I sleep had anything to do with life and death---and he said no. (some pointy heads had insinuated that).---continued

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    cornish Avatar craig cornish Date: 2/10/2013 1:42:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Unfortunately, like most young people, it was nothing special then----but if I could do it now!!!!!!
    Crous Avatar Suzette Crous Date: 2/10/2013 11:48:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    That must have been a great honour.
  1. Date: 2/10/2013 10:55:00 AM
    A very informitive blog. Some of this is intuitive, we learn as child along with the words and body language. A poet seldom uses body language (only in reading his/her own work), yet there is plenty of unwritten words. For example, I tend to use geologic terms as it is a hobby of mine, that the general reader may have to look up. Do I try to use a simpler word, or go with my first inclination? In other words, do we as a poet dumb down our poems?

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    Squyres Avatar Debra Squyres Date: 2/10/2013 3:15:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I happily look up words I don't understand in a poem. Makes one understand the poem better. I do not think a writer should "dumb down". I find my mind is awakened by the challenge of those who write above my educational levels or out of my field of knowledge. I find my vocabulary has grown.
    Crous Avatar Suzette Crous Date: 2/10/2013 11:18:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Hallo, Joann. Thank you. You are a lady of many talents :-) I prefer a poem that stretches my imagination, otherwise they all start to sound the same to me. I like your question. Maybe others would like to join in here and answer it?

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