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BIO SKETCHES:

Location: north node of pisces in past lives

Characteristics: moon-angel, summer gypsy

Philosophy: in life and love, don’t settle for less than 100%

Greatest sin: can do nothing for a day and stay in the “ now”

Education: a student of life on earth and outbound

Style: blend of classic and eclectic

Strengths and weaknesses: shadows chasing light; light chasing shadows

Luxuries:  inner spirit dancer, theater actress, educator, painter, poet, interior designer

Addictions: diet coke, rare collections, travels around the world

Unforgettable scene: pathways of Prague in Czechoslovakia around dusk

Claim to fame: the world's worst typist


THE PROBLEM WITH SYLLABLE COUNT


Blog Posted:1/23/2014 7:00:00 AM


.. is that syllable counters like the ones on soup or dictionaries differ... the word 

'BRILLIANCE' has 3-syllbale count, though we know other references claim otherwise... answers.yahoo.com says: " it depends on the accent used, really. Some will make something of the second 'i', thus making it three syllables: brill-i-ance. Others will say the second 'i' as if it's a consonant 'y' sound, like "brill-yance", and that would make it two syllables.


in my recent contest, ' Through My Window' , so many beautiful entries missed the syllable count of the form, kimo, arrgh!...


i use the site, www.howmanysyllables.com  to check the number of syllables;

 it is  very reliable!...


thus, i would like to honor or give special citations

 to andrea dietrich, carrie richards, and dr. ram mehta

for their splendid poems...


 would you have any other ideas as to where we can find  links that we can use to ensure the accuracy of syllable count?


share pleease, and maybe, we can all use one or two as our guide...


congrats, everyone... and huggs!




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  1. Date: 1/26/2014 8:42:00 PM
    I always count my own syllables, because I can do a bettler job than the counters. Also, if their is a question about two ways of pronouncing or as in the case of the example in your blog, it is immediately appearant. I think I relate a lot closer to the writer than going through a counter. I had much rather give the poet the benefit of the doubt.

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  1. Date: 1/23/2014 3:25:00 PM
    carrie: ohh no, " rattling " was fine...your 3rd lines contained 5 syllables instead of requiered six syls of kimo, like so:" stroke the horizon".. the 2nd read: " and my reflection.." needles to say the whole piece was utterly amazing that i had to cite it... thanks and huggs!

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    Richards Avatar Carrie Richards Date: 1/23/2014 3:55:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thanks Nette !!! Don't know what I was thinking !!
    Richards Avatar Carrie Richards Date: 1/23/2014 3:54:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    ahhkk......where was my head...?? lol....obviously it was in the jet-stream..!! lol
  1. Date: 1/23/2014 3:11:00 PM
    It took me time to count the syllables using my fingers, really. Just glad I made it somehow. Thank you, Nette, and congratulations to the winners.

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  1. Date: 1/23/2014 1:45:00 PM
    I'm disappointed, but I understand, Nette.....(I'm assuming that you were referring to "rattling"...?.... I, like Andrea, gave it thought as I was writing,, and thought perhaps a note beneath the poem, but then didn't. Oh well....I heard three syllables...but must have been mistaken. Thanks for letting me know why! and big congrats to your winners!!

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    onclaud Avatar nette onclaud Date: 1/23/2014 3:27:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    hi carrie, please see my personal reply to you above... huggs, dear onw!
  1. Date: 1/23/2014 12:24:00 PM
    First, thank you for placing me in your contest, Nette. Secondly, I went through my piece after reading your post and comments of members below. If you feel I missed the syllable count, please disqualify. Honestly, I went by my instinctive use of words and did not check the syllable rules. Congrats to all especially those you cited on this blog.

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  1. Date: 1/23/2014 12:03:00 PM
    I would have to go with David on this one Nette; the way it is pronounced in the area may change the syllable count to many. BUT, Sara made a good point; many dictionaries break the word into syllables just after the entry word itself so that would be a good reference.

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    WATSON Avatar DARREN WATSON Date: 2/28/2014 1:43:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Syllables sounds too much like silly bills for me and I'm sick of getting them, lol
    Thomas Avatar F. J. Thomas Date: 1/23/2014 12:29:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Yea...I see the conundrum there as well. hm
    onclaud Avatar nette onclaud Date: 1/23/2014 12:11:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    i do that too, FJ.. i only wish we can all find a common dictionary-- a really accurate one-- that will serve as a ruling guide for us... thanks!
  1. Date: 1/23/2014 11:56:00 AM
    andie: you have a point and i do too.. i checked howmanysyllables.com and syllablerules.com; ' beloved' has 3 syls ... i adore your piece and couldn't PM you as your entry was posted as the 32nd entry , i suppose... i did read it briefly twice and moved it to round 2.. on my last checks, i spotted the word and did a long count-work and web-search.. the contest was locked so i couldn't soupy anymore.. you are not the only one... i hope you got my point... huggs, dearie!

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  1. Date: 1/23/2014 10:49:00 AM
    The only sure way is to look each word in the dictionary..The dictionary is very accurate..Not a dictionary syllable counter but the dictionary itself..Sara

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    Kendrick Avatar Sara Kendrick Date: 1/23/2014 10:50:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    Thanks for the honor of placing in your contest..I enjoyed writing that poem from the one of the pictures there..Sara
  1. Date: 1/23/2014 10:32:00 AM
    Here are three reliable sites where someone may receive advice from: ---- http://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry_resources/syllable_counter.aspx ---- I also suggest : ---- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fire?s=t ----- http://www.poetrysoup.com/dictionary/?utm_source=Campaigner&utm_campaign=Thursday_January_23_2014_-_2&campaigner=1&utm_medium=HTMLEmail

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    onclaud Avatar nette onclaud Date: 1/23/2014 11:38:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    i changed my example... the word ' brilliance' was my reference point. ' fire' has one syllable, yes, though pronounced as ' f-yeeh-r... kinda confusing...
  1. Date: 1/23/2014 8:10:00 AM
    I could easily have fixed it if I knew it would be an issue. Sigh!! Anyway, Congrats to all your winners, Nette. It was a marvelous contest.

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    Thomas Avatar F. J. Thomas Date: 1/24/2014 7:07:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    I too prefer the 3 syllable pronunciation when using "beloved" in poetry. Since both are accepted I guess that note would have been good ;) Especially since I've also used the 2 syllable version lol.
  1. Date: 1/23/2014 8:02:00 AM
    oh, come on!! Are you talking about the word Beloved?? The modern pronunciation would have to be only two. Because the old world pronounced it with three, but even today on movies I hear it pronounced also as "be-loved". Many dictionaries pronounce it both ways. I want everyone to know that I do not trust one source when I look at syllable counts. There does not exist a one reliable source. I am my own reliable source. If I can tell that the person had a reason to go with his/her syllable count, I usually let it go. You have our names. Just tell us what you are thinking in a case like this. Please, Nette, don't go by syllable counters. Go to the poets and ask them why they did it that way!

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    onclaud Avatar nette onclaud Date: 1/23/2014 12:03:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    yes, i think you have a bright idea, andie.. we have to include the reference as footnote; i'll do the same... i have a npte for you above..thanks!
    Dietrich Avatar Andrea Dietrich Date: 1/23/2014 8:12:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    i just looked it up and it seems most people prefer the three syllable pronunciation in certain cases; however, there is not a firm rule about it having to be three . I was actually gonna make a note about it under my poem. WIsh I had done that now!
  1. Date: 1/23/2014 7:06:00 AM
    Nette, I agree it is a problem but I don't think there is any easy answer to this problem as dialect plays a big part not just language and unless someone is going to check every dialect that is entered into a contest then it will be impossible to get it correct, I tend to go with how I personally pronounce a word and if it is a great entree in to my contest only then will I check....

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    onclaud Avatar nette onclaud Date: 1/23/2014 12:08:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry

    i get that really well.. the dipthongs of a word may change depending on how a word is pronounced in different countries, and even in america... i feel that checking a reliable site is important... :)

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