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Flattery or Honesty

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Flattery or Honesty

Either I am naïve
Or seriously confused
Do they mean what they say?
Then why do I feel used?

Words of glorious praise
Superlatives so sweet
But then the real truth dawns
My work lacks rhyme and beat

I find it very strange
And not so very kind
To flatter just to please
And leave the poet blind

So when you post a thought
Be honest in the write
Don’t tear the poet down
Yet don’t fake pure delight

Find something that is good
Something you can applaud
But DO say what you mean
Or else the post is flawed!

Eileen Manassian Ghali

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  1. Date: 6/28/2013 1:38:00 AM
    I adore that last line. The POST is flawed. hahaha. A lot of flawed posts around Soup. Flawless it is not! hopefully I am always fairly honest in the comments I make. I will never highly praise a poem if I don't think it deserves it. This one I like because you express yourself in a witty way.

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/28/2013 1:59:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Thanks, Andrea. Appreciate the visit. Yes, those of you who are Premium Members....we do get a peek into which poems and poets move you, so....we have a fair idea of where we stand anyway. Good to be honest.
  1. Date: 6/27/2013 11:32:00 PM
    You have stated your point well with this write.

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:48:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Thank you, Robert. I tried. I like to think I was being objective, but I now myself too well to know that it wasn't born out of some pain. Thanks for the visit.
  1. Date: 6/27/2013 8:11:00 PM
    Eileen....I love the honesty of this write, very well stated! Hugs

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:49:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Cecilia...lovely to see your smile here! You light up day! :) Thanks for being there for me! Hugs!
  1. Date: 6/27/2013 5:18:00 PM
    Great poem! I couldn't agree more. :)

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:50:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Thanks, April. Glad to know you are like minded!
  1. Date: 6/27/2013 7:47:00 AM
    Good morning Sunshine! I enjoyed your conversation with Chris.

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:54:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Sunshine? Richard...they used to call my Mama that! She has a smile that would light up the world! Thank you! :) Have been cloudy lately, but posts like this surely push those..................... clouds away! :) Yes, I also enjoy the conversation with Chris! :)
  1. Date: 6/27/2013 1:24:00 AM
    *cont'd* -- I'd rather get a few truthful comments, than a sea of buttery, fake comments. Which is why the contest scene here drove me bonkers after a while, with the "Congratulations!" comments(I am into good sportsmanship, so I can understand). Some of my poems posted here on PS that I feel have many fake comments attached to them, I've posted on a site with a younger, less conditioned audience, and the comments seem more sincere, including some critique and advice. Simply a matter of taste.

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:45:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    WOW! Larger projects...I wish you the best, Chris! I must admit, I've become addicted to Poetry Soup. Before I stumbled across this place, I was posting my poems on FB in the notes section. I did get some response, but not everyone is into poetry. Then I came here and I was like..."OH MY! There are people out there like ME!" I got sucked in. Generally speaking, I do love it here. Yes, there are some issues. :( But there are issues everywhere! I'm just on a downer and hope to get back full force soon. I'm pretty loyal though. Wouldn't go to another site no matter what! ;)
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:24:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    The irony is, I am tired of Academia, and it doesn't impress me all that much anyway. As I mentioned in a reply below, maybe the Soup isn't the best venue for critique. Besides, I am only an amateur poet myself. As for the 'other' site, I began posting there over 3 years ago....it doesn't have much bearing on how I interact here, except that it helps my interaction here by giving me a break from the cliques here, and always having to censor myself(I am not just referring to cuss-words, but theme and presentation). The Soup is one of my poetry homes. Overall, I am not publicly posting new poems anywhere, except for practice pieces. I am publicly posting remixes of older poems. The new directions that I have taken with my poetry, are being saved for larger projects beyond this site.
    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 1:47:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    As to those greats you've mentioned? Names I've heard of, but I haven't studied. :( So...I won't try to impress. I can't anyway..but, I have appreciated your input, Chris. This is refreshing. I do appreciate the compliments, but I also realize I need to grow. Feel free to help me in the process. Now...don't go and post too much on the other site. I'm already worried! I've read some of your work, but due to the difference in ideology, haven't commented! ;)
  1. Date: 6/27/2013 1:17:00 AM
    *cont'd* -- I was educated on classical poetry. Which is why I don't write it....I uphold my own voice. If anything, my uber-use of punctuation is because of my classical education....the influences of P.B. Shelley, Voltaire, Baudelaire, etc.(many people here don't use punctuation in their poems). I will not compromise my voice for comments; to fit in. Thus, I read in-between the lines of some of the comments left on my work, and I wonder why the comments were even left in the first place.

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:47:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Well, you hit the nail on the head with that one...that's me! Self-esteem issues. PS has been therapeutic for me. I'm not that far on the road to recovery to get the kind of constructive critiquing you're talking about, Chris. Then again...I don't think I ever will be. I like to think I'm developing a tougher skin, but It all depends on the one who is critiquing. If you know there is genuine love and concern, you tend to take it better! :)
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:16:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    More and more, I understand how many people here have a lot of sensitivity. I think a site such a the Soup is more inclined towards people who have self-esteem issues with regards to their work. I had not ever publicly posted online until the Soup. I understand the complexities of people. I think a lot of members here came from certain situations which left them partially broken, and this site can be part of the healing process. Which is why I use other venues for constructive critique.
    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 1:44:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Cont...having said that. I'm such a sensitive soul that if somewhere were to say that my poem was a load of .....I'd cave. So, I do have to be careful for self preservation. I didn't join contests for the longest of times because I was afraid of just that. That I'd give up! I just wondered how some people say my work is so fantastic and then sometimes I don't even place...that's all!
  1. Date: 6/27/2013 1:11:00 AM
    If I seemingly ramble about myself, more than about your post, it is because your post sent my thoughts whirling in a pertinent brain-storm. I do agree with your words....balancing between not being fake, yet polite and constructive. If I am to be completely honest here, I will say that my purple prosey/free verse style garnishes some flakey, fake flattery, because I feel that this site has a strong leaning towards forced rhyme, cutsey couplets, overdone stanchion and cadence.

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/28/2013 12:18:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Oh dear....when will I bother to proofread? That last bit reads...Sometimes it is the most "unlearned" who are the most eloquent. BTW...I know Hughes gets a bad rap, but do read this poem...LIFE IS FINE! Isn't it just divine..A Dream Deferred. What about other poems...Death be Not Proud...Do not go Gentle into that Good Night...or Drink to me Only with Thine Eyes...Or The Hollow Men, T. S. Elliot. It was not Fate (Moore)...I'm rambling...
    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:41:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    :) Some of MY greats...John Donne, Langsten Hughes, Edgar Allen Poe (Dream within a Dream)...other poets, a like a poem here and there. I don't think of meter, rhyme, etc...because though I studied all that in high school....what touches me is if the poet speaks to my soul...if I can connect. Glad the learning hasn't tainted you! ;) Even when it comes to religion...it's sad that the more "unlearned" who are the most eloquent...
    Aechtner Avatar Chris D. Aechtner
    Date: 6/27/2013 11:10:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Cool, you reply to comments. Studying the greats isn't really a big deal to me....that's not wot I was implying. Actually, I enjoy the poetry of amateurs over most(most, but not all, because some of the greats are just too good!)of the famous poets. A lot of the famous poets were/are technical masters, but many became emotionally detached from their work, producing highly stylized pieces lacking true heart and soul.
    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 1:41:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Ramble on. This is SO refreshing! :) Well, Chris, you did say that you have studied the greats. I can understand how you might find some of the work here a bit elementary, including mine? I haven't studied poetry in depth. I've taken a course on Shakespeare and his contemporaries. That's it! However, words do move me, and I LOVE to write. I do love cutsey rhymes, and hopeless mush. I love the cadence of things. It makes my heart sing!
  1. Date: 6/26/2013 10:48:00 PM
    awesome... you have shared such a lovely poem.. and i do enjoyed this piece so much ..thank you sweetheart sista Eileen <3 much luv and hugs <3 Sk

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 12:16:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    You are a sweetheart, Sukmawati! Thank you ever so much!
  1. Date: 6/26/2013 8:26:00 PM
    See comment below.

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 12:15:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Thanks, Richard.....
    Lamoureux Avatar Richard Lamoureux
    Date: 6/26/2013 8:28:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Have a good night Eileen. Hugs Rick
  1. Date: 6/26/2013 5:25:00 PM
    Do I really need to comment on this write. I think not my little Desert Orchid. Why don't you try writing a real stinker and see what comments you get then lol. Take care, Richard

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/27/2013 12:14:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Yes, Richard....You really do need to! I value your opinion...you know that. Please...always post and comment. I take stock by what you say...Orchid is wilting.....A real stinker, eh???? Well, aren't the stinkers those that don't do well! ;)
  1. Date: 6/26/2013 6:49:00 AM
    I typically love your poetry but dislike this one because it lacks the insight of how amazing your work actually is. Personally it makes me a bit irritated, you should be nicer to yourself and trust in your talent.

    Lamoureux Avatar Richard Lamoureux
    Date: 6/26/2013 8:24:00 PM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Sometimes I feel frustrated when I write a poem that I think should do well and it doesn't get chosen. Once I think about it I am just glad I ended up with a poem and realize the contest does not determine the quality of the work.
    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/26/2013 8:27:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Yes, Richard....true, but I am so tired of hearing that my work SHOULD do well....SHOOT to the top and then...oh....well...surprise! Don't worry...reality checks are always good too. You just don't understand what poetry means to me.....I don't take mediocre well, never have. I excel...academically...nothing less than an A-...so yes, writing for fun, but my dreams are going up in smoke...not an easy one to handle..what is life without dreams...thanks for the support.
  1. Date: 6/26/2013 6:45:00 AM
    Honest injun, this is a great message for us all on PS. I agree that critiquing needs to be more informative to help improve the poet's writing. I've been writing less than a year and do not know all forms of poetry to be the greatest critiquer, but I do my best. I've had some great tips on a couple of forms of poetry from a few PS member which has helped me improve my writing. Thanks for sharing your honest opinion. Warm Smiles, Connie

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/26/2013 8:28:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Thanks, Connie...about honesty...When I was a programming manager for a satellite TV network, the director said two things about me in her evaluation that she considered...negative...1) I'm too honest..... 2) I'm too kind....go figure! No grey areas with me. Yes...We are all here to learn. Thanks for being sweet enough to post. I appreciate it. Hugs!
  1. Date: 6/26/2013 2:15:00 AM
    Hi.dear friend...I love your honesty in this poem.and Im here leaving my comment cause its what i feel to do.Your poems are wonderful because they come from the inner truth of heart and soul..I just wished to have more quality time here to read more of your poem : ) By the way..nice avatar.

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/26/2013 8:30:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Charmaine, you've always been good to me...I appreciate it more than you know, hon! I know....we are all busy....I've been here a lot because I've been dealign with some issues and this was my escape...Got to find a new way to escape! Thanks for the post...hugs!
  1. Date: 6/26/2013 12:41:00 AM
    Just a note....I would appreciate it if you did NOT post comments on this poem...IF you read it. I really don't want sympathy posts. I'm just voicing an opinion....thank you!

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/26/2013 8:31:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Thanks, Richard....
    Lamoureux Avatar Richard Lamoureux
    Date: 6/26/2013 8:05:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    A flawed opinion. The poem is written well it's just the content that doesn't work for me.
  1. Date: 6/25/2013 10:28:00 PM
    nice write

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/26/2013 12:42:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Thanks!
  1. Date: 6/25/2013 8:24:00 PM
    Bravo, Eileen!!! Please don't for one moment think I don't mean this. I do, I do, I do. Good write, my friend. PS - Thank you for your concern, Eileen. I have a couple of issues to sort and I'm also working again. My schedule is seriously tight at the moment, but hopefully not for too long anymore. I don't have time to comment, but I do keep up-to-date with your and a couple of others' writing. Keep on keeping on, my friend. Licia :-)

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/26/2013 12:45:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    I've been SO SO worried about you and all sorts of things popped into my mind! I'm so glad it is nothing serious! WORK! Baaaaa...humbug! ;( Darling...addictions know not work or any other such issue. ;) I trust you, Licia. My bad for joining contests....Makes me dream and expect and then a kick in the gut...no, the glory isn't worth the pain...Will just stick to my first plan to write for fun! Love ya! Get back when you can...hugs
  1. Date: 6/25/2013 7:45:00 PM
    My dear every word i said to you is true cross my heart xxx

    Ghali Avatar Eileen Ghali
    Date: 6/26/2013 12:46:00 AM Block poet from commenting on your poetry


    Mystic Rose...honey...you wrote a poem about me! How could I doubt you! Love ya! XOXOXOXOXOXOXO